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Sure, but it can happen anywhere. I was just reading yesterday about a person who died in Portland of heat during the dome. Same with cold weather, if the gas

Sure, but it can happen anywhere. I was just reading yesterday about a person who died in Portland of heat during the dome. Same with cold weather, if the gas/electric goes out during the winter. There's really only a few places one can live with moderate enough weather to avoid those scenarios.

tiahura 3y ago
Half of Phoenix vs A person in Portland. It seems like there’s an important scale issue there. So the risk isn’t really the same everywhere.
- RationPhantoms 3y ago
  Good point on the scale. However, Phoenix is also a retirement destination so you're looking at a larger portion of the population being susceptible to heat waves.
  - AlbertCory 3y ago
    > Phoenix is also a retirement destination People who retire there most likely go up to Flagstaff in the summer, or further north. Or they just have good A/C.
zht 3y ago
what? do you really not see a difference between a place where the event is much more likely to happen for a much longer % of the time than another place where the same event is much less likely to occur?
ericd 3y ago
And that's why you see fireplaces/stoves in a lot of houses in the northeast, even if they have gas/electric heat.
phpisthebest 3y ago
>>Same with cold weather, I 100% disagree with this... Heat is made by everything, waste heat is a byproduct of all modern things, and there are TONS of easy low cost ways to make heat even it is just as simple as burning something. Also the body makes head naturally so adding layers to trap this heat does not require continual inputs from an outside resource Cooling on the other hand is MUCH harder, and electricity is really the only avenue to make cooling. Even if you say use ICE, well that Ice was made at some point by a freezer running on Electricity IMO hot climate is MUCH MUCH more dangerous than cold, which is why I choose to live in an area where there are only 1 or 2 months of even remotely hot climate. As I told my last HVAC... Heat I can make 100 ways... Cooling I need central air for...
- silisili 3y ago
  For a young/healthy person, sure. But these aren't generally the at risk people in the first place. I grew up around the 38N parallel, gross enough to get too hot in the summer and too cold in the winter. Every winter people froze to death, just the same. It's not as bad as Phoenix percentage wise, but it's still a risk in the vast majority of places that people in the US live.
  - phpisthebest 3y ago
    Of course people can and do die from cold, that was never my claim My Claim is providing people with emergency heat is FAR FAR FAR FAR easier and cheaper than providing people with emergency cooling. Do "at risk" people die in the north from the cold, absolutely but I am not sure how that means the cold is worse As it stands right now, just from my daily activities my waste heat in my home makes my home about 10-15 degrees above ambient. Meaning in the winter if my target temp is 65deg, it would have to be 50 degrees or colder outside before I would even think about running my heat. In the winter time that means my AC is working hard to not only combat the outside temp but the internal waste heat from computers, cooking, TV's, humans, etc.
- nerdbert 3y ago
  > Cooling on the other hand is MUCH harder, and electricity is really the only avenue to make cooling. Gas-powered fridges and coolers have existed for about two hundred years and are still a normal technology today - often used for camping and off-grid life. Here's a whole bunch of propane fridges for your viewing pleasure: https://bensdiscountsupply.com/collections/propane-refrigerator https://bensdiscountsupply.com/collections/propane-refrigera...
colechristensen 3y ago
Eh, it is much much easier to keep warm when it's -40 outdoors than it is to keep cool when its 120+ outside. Unless you have a terribly insulated shelter, blankets, coats, and friends will keep you warm enough to the extent that unless you are not really capable of taking basic care of yourself, you're not dying of the cold when your heat goes out. You can always do more insulation, and you only need so much for your body to keep you warm. With heat though you run out of things to do. There is a difference between an impaired person or a person doing something unwise dies of the heat or cold... and there being an environment where there's nothing a healthy adult can do to survive without powered heating/cooling.
- nerdbert 3y ago
  Part of this is because we build houses that are terribly suited for warm climates. I used to work in the Middle East, and their traditional structures with central pool and windcatcher/chimney design remained quite livable even when it was over 45°C outside, with zero active cooling.

tiahura 3y ago

Half of Phoenix vs A person in Portland. It seems like there’s an important scale issue there. So the risk isn’t really the same everywhere.

RationPhantoms 3y ago
Good point on the scale. However, Phoenix is also a retirement destination so you're looking at a larger portion of the population being susceptible to heat waves.
- AlbertCory 3y ago
  > Phoenix is also a retirement destination People who retire there most likely go up to Flagstaff in the summer, or further north. Or they just have good A/C.

zht 3y ago

what? do you really not see a difference between a place where the event is much more likely to happen for a much longer % of the time than another place where the same event is much less likely to occur?

ericd 3y ago

And that's why you see fireplaces/stoves in a lot of houses in the northeast, even if they have gas/electric heat.

phpisthebest 3y ago

>>Same with cold weather, I 100% disagree with this... Heat is made by everything, waste heat is a byproduct of all modern things, and there are TONS of easy low cost ways to make heat even it is just as simple as burning something. Also the body makes head naturally so adding layers to trap this heat does not require continual inputs from an outside resource Cooling on the other hand is MUCH harder, and electricity is really the only avenue to make cooling. Even if you say use ICE, well that Ice was made at some point by a freezer running on Electricity IMO hot climate is MUCH MUCH more dangerous than cold, which is why I choose to live in an area where there are only 1 or 2 months of even remotely hot climate. As I told my last HVAC... Heat I can make 100 ways... Cooling I need central air for...

silisili 3y ago
For a young/healthy person, sure. But these aren't generally the at risk people in the first place. I grew up around the 38N parallel, gross enough to get too hot in the summer and too cold in the winter. Every winter people froze to death, just the same. It's not as bad as Phoenix percentage wise, but it's still a risk in the vast majority of places that people in the US live.
- phpisthebest 3y ago
  Of course people can and do die from cold, that was never my claim My Claim is providing people with emergency heat is FAR FAR FAR FAR easier and cheaper than providing people with emergency cooling. Do "at risk" people die in the north from the cold, absolutely but I am not sure how that means the cold is worse As it stands right now, just from my daily activities my waste heat in my home makes my home about 10-15 degrees above ambient. Meaning in the winter if my target temp is 65deg, it would have to be 50 degrees or colder outside before I would even think about running my heat. In the winter time that means my AC is working hard to not only combat the outside temp but the internal waste heat from computers, cooking, TV's, humans, etc.
nerdbert 3y ago
> Cooling on the other hand is MUCH harder, and electricity is really the only avenue to make cooling. Gas-powered fridges and coolers have existed for about two hundred years and are still a normal technology today - often used for camping and off-grid life. Here's a whole bunch of propane fridges for your viewing pleasure: https://bensdiscountsupply.com/collections/propane-refrigerator https://bensdiscountsupply.com/collections/propane-refrigera...

colechristensen 3y ago

Eh, it is much much easier to keep warm when it's -40 outdoors than it is to keep cool when its 120+ outside. Unless you have a terribly insulated shelter, blankets, coats, and friends will keep you warm enough to the extent that unless you are not really capable of taking basic care of yourself, you're not dying of the cold when your heat goes out. You can always do more insulation, and you only need so much for your body to keep you warm. With heat though you run out of things to do. There is a difference between an impaired person or a person doing something unwise dies of the heat or cold... and there being an environment where there's nothing a healthy adult can do to survive without powered heating/cooling.

nerdbert 3y ago
Part of this is because we build houses that are terribly suited for warm climates. I used to work in the Middle East, and their traditional structures with central pool and windcatcher/chimney design remained quite livable even when it was over 45°C outside, with zero active cooling.