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The amount of dark patterns on Windows nowadays is insane. If you want to go through the OOTB setup and use a local account, you'd better not connect to a netwo

The amount of dark patterns on Windows nowadays is insane. If you want to go through the OOTB setup and use a local account, you'd better not connect to a network (which it's very pushy at getting you to do.) It's literally not an option to set up a local account in most cases. I've rarely touched Windows in the last decade and I'm better for it.

cevn 3y ago
In order to get out of using the M$ft account for my dad on win11 I had to disable secure boot, use regedit, etc and it was all very dark and time consuming. Microsoft is The Worst.
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- Milnaurr 3y ago
  You can always utilize no@thankyou.com and it will go straight into creating a local account.
- ghusbands 3y ago
  There are much easier solutions than that. I've not tried the sibling's idea, but just not connecting it to wifi, pressing shift+f10 and running "oobe\BypassNRO" is enough. It's still ridiculous and shameful behaviour from Microsoft, but disabling secureboot isn't necessary.
  - cevn 3y ago
    That works for the initial logon attempt, but after that the computer was locked in “S mode” where it doesnt allow you to install anything. In order to get chrome running we had to do the above.
jasonjayr 3y ago
"Setup For Organization/School" then, "Domain Join Instead" Is the spell to just make local account on Professional Edition. If you have Home Edition, you have to do use the "no network" option in the OOTB setup.
hwbehrens 3y ago
In Windows 11 Home 22H2, it's practically impossible to set up without a network connection, which has been a huge pain for me since my mobo's onboard ethernet drivers aren't included (too new, I guess). It's been at least 15 years since I needed to side-load a driver during an OS install to be able to complete it successfully, and the last time was a niche Linux distro. The so-called "workarounds" online are hit-or-miss.
nmcela 3y ago
I was seriousy shocked of all the abuse when I had to install a new winblows laptop for a relative. How is any of it legal? How the hell did we let it happen? Mindblowing.
- Goronmon 3y ago
  I was seriousy shocked of all the abuse when I had to install a new winblows laptop for a relative. How is any of it legal? What should be made illegal?
  - nmcela 3y ago
    I don't know man, maybe a massive antitrust case is enough.
16bitvoid 3y ago
What I've done is sign in using some throwaway account on setup, create a new local user once logged in, login to the new local user, and delete the old user with the Microsoft account. I think you can also simply unlink and sign out of the Microsoft account once logged in to effectively make it a local user, but your user folder is stuck using the username of the Microsoft account, which also gets cutoff after like 8 characters. I abhor the whole process and it's annoying because there's no other way to create a local account during Windows 11 setup on e.g., a laptop because it knows that the wifi module works and will not let you progress unless you connect to the internet. I tried unplugging my modem and connecting to my internet-less router, but it still refused to progress because it didn't have internet access. Don't even get me started on the other dark patterns once you actually have a local user setup, like being pushed through part of the OOTB Windows setup again after a major feature update asking you to login into a Microsoft account and making sure you still want all the (user accessible) telemetry off. The worst part is that I actually like Windows 11 and some of the new features like the tiling layouts when hovering over the maximize button on a window, the new default terminal program, etc. But, the whole thing is entirely soured by dark patterns like the aforementioned forceful use of a Microsoft account, all the extra Edge and Bing crap being shoved down my throat, the poor web-first Windows search, widgets just basically being an MSN feed, Teams starting at login by default on a new install, random apps and games being advertised in the start menu on a new install, etc.
- lacrimacida 3y ago
  You realize most windows users will simply go with the flow?
  - bboygravity 3y ago
    Yeah, in the same way that cattle at the slaughterhouse "go with the flow"?
  - 16bitvoid 3y ago
    Of course, but what's your point? That's not meant to be rude. I'm just confused because I talking about myself, not "most windows users".
josefresco 3y ago
Doesn't MacOS require an iCloud account for updates ... effectively making it "required" to use the OS?
- sprawl_ 3y ago
  Mac App Store app updates, yes. macOS system updates, no.
  - sneak 3y ago
    Xcode / compiler - yes.
- gunapologist99 3y ago
  You also literally can't even launch an iPhone past the initial screens without creating/logging into an Apple account. At least Google lets you use an Android phone without forcing an account.
  - concinds 3y ago
    "Literally" untrue.
- bun_at_work 3y ago
  AFAIK you only need an iCloud account to use iCloud related features, like the app store, syncing across devices, access to Apple services, etc. It's very much usable with just a local user. Admittedly, they do heavily suggesting connecting an iCloud account.
  - hot_gril 3y ago
    Right. They bother a little about it, but some of my spare Macs have no iCloud account associated, and it's fine.
tester756 3y ago
Are you sure there isnt some button visible on screen to create local account? I've always been installing Pro versions and I've never been forced to use MS account
- jcpham2 3y ago
  It’s the domain join instead dark pattern at the bottom of the screen
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hot_gril 3y ago
Windows 10 (not even 11) was so annoying on the last random laptop that I'm not dealing with it again. And I gotta stress how low my bar is. I don't care about privacy or anything on random spare PCs, I just want it to work without harassing me constantly, and up until now it was tolerable. Idk what a dark pattern is, my word for this is "dogshit." It's more annoying than dealing with Ubuntu's random issues at this point.
Gazoche 3y ago
> If you want to go through the OOTB setup and use a local account, you'd better not connect to a network (which it's very pushy at getting you to do.) Pulling the ethernet plug to get a local account doesn't even work anymore. The only trick I know still works is to give it a fake account (like test@test.com).
aSockPuppeteer 3y ago
Not an option unless someone searches YouTube. https://youtu.be/EOUcvgqOV-0 https://youtu.be/EOUcvgqOV-0

cevn 3y ago

In order to get out of using the M$ft account for my dad on win11 I had to disable secure boot, use regedit, etc and it was all very dark and time consuming. Microsoft is The Worst.

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Milnaurr 3y ago
You can always utilize no@thankyou.com and it will go straight into creating a local account.
ghusbands 3y ago
There are much easier solutions than that. I've not tried the sibling's idea, but just not connecting it to wifi, pressing shift+f10 and running "oobe\BypassNRO" is enough. It's still ridiculous and shameful behaviour from Microsoft, but disabling secureboot isn't necessary.
- cevn 3y ago
  That works for the initial logon attempt, but after that the computer was locked in “S mode” where it doesnt allow you to install anything. In order to get chrome running we had to do the above.

jasonjayr 3y ago

"Setup For Organization/School" then, "Domain Join Instead" Is the spell to just make local account on Professional Edition. If you have Home Edition, you have to do use the "no network" option in the OOTB setup.

hwbehrens 3y ago

In Windows 11 Home 22H2, it's practically impossible to set up without a network connection, which has been a huge pain for me since my mobo's onboard ethernet drivers aren't included (too new, I guess). It's been at least 15 years since I needed to side-load a driver during an OS install to be able to complete it successfully, and the last time was a niche Linux distro. The so-called "workarounds" online are hit-or-miss.

nmcela 3y ago

I was seriousy shocked of all the abuse when I had to install a new winblows laptop for a relative. How is any of it legal? How the hell did we let it happen? Mindblowing.

Goronmon 3y ago
I was seriousy shocked of all the abuse when I had to install a new winblows laptop for a relative. How is any of it legal? What should be made illegal?
- nmcela 3y ago
  I don't know man, maybe a massive antitrust case is enough.

16bitvoid 3y ago

What I've done is sign in using some throwaway account on setup, create a new local user once logged in, login to the new local user, and delete the old user with the Microsoft account. I think you can also simply unlink and sign out of the Microsoft account once logged in to effectively make it a local user, but your user folder is stuck using the username of the Microsoft account, which also gets cutoff after like 8 characters. I abhor the whole process and it's annoying because there's no other way to create a local account during Windows 11 setup on e.g., a laptop because it knows that the wifi module works and will not let you progress unless you connect to the internet. I tried unplugging my modem and connecting to my internet-less router, but it still refused to progress because it didn't have internet access. Don't even get me started on the other dark patterns once you actually have a local user setup, like being pushed through part of the OOTB Windows setup again after a major feature update asking you to login into a Microsoft account and making sure you still want all the (user accessible) telemetry off. The worst part is that I actually like Windows 11 and some of the new features like the tiling layouts when hovering over the maximize button on a window, the new default terminal program, etc. But, the whole thing is entirely soured by dark patterns like the aforementioned forceful use of a Microsoft account, all the extra Edge and Bing crap being shoved down my throat, the poor web-first Windows search, widgets just basically being an MSN feed, Teams starting at login by default on a new install, random apps and games being advertised in the start menu on a new install, etc.

lacrimacida 3y ago
You realize most windows users will simply go with the flow?
- bboygravity 3y ago
  Yeah, in the same way that cattle at the slaughterhouse "go with the flow"?
- 16bitvoid 3y ago
  Of course, but what's your point? That's not meant to be rude. I'm just confused because I talking about myself, not "most windows users".

josefresco 3y ago

Doesn't MacOS require an iCloud account for updates ... effectively making it "required" to use the OS?

sprawl_ 3y ago
Mac App Store app updates, yes. macOS system updates, no.
- sneak 3y ago
  Xcode / compiler - yes.
gunapologist99 3y ago
You also literally can't even launch an iPhone past the initial screens without creating/logging into an Apple account. At least Google lets you use an Android phone without forcing an account.
- concinds 3y ago
  "Literally" untrue.
bun_at_work 3y ago
AFAIK you only need an iCloud account to use iCloud related features, like the app store, syncing across devices, access to Apple services, etc. It's very much usable with just a local user. Admittedly, they do heavily suggesting connecting an iCloud account.
- hot_gril 3y ago
  Right. They bother a little about it, but some of my spare Macs have no iCloud account associated, and it's fine.

tester756 3y ago

Are you sure there isnt some button visible on screen to create local account? I've always been installing Pro versions and I've never been forced to use MS account

jcpham2 3y ago
It’s the domain join instead dark pattern at the bottom of the screen

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hot_gril 3y ago

Windows 10 (not even 11) was so annoying on the last random laptop that I'm not dealing with it again. And I gotta stress how low my bar is. I don't care about privacy or anything on random spare PCs, I just want it to work without harassing me constantly, and up until now it was tolerable. Idk what a dark pattern is, my word for this is "dogshit." It's more annoying than dealing with Ubuntu's random issues at this point.

Gazoche 3y ago

> If you want to go through the OOTB setup and use a local account, you'd better not connect to a network (which it's very pushy at getting you to do.) Pulling the ethernet plug to get a local account doesn't even work anymore. The only trick I know still works is to give it a fake account (like test@test.com).

aSockPuppeteer 3y ago

Not an option unless someone searches YouTube. https://youtu.be/EOUcvgqOV-0 https://youtu.be/EOUcvgqOV-0