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They may have the longest streak of successful launches, but among their cavalier attitude to safety, as seen with the latest starship launch and the chief twat

They may have the longest streak of successful launches, but among their cavalier attitude to safety, as seen with the latest starship launch and the chief twat playing it fast and loose with his security clearance, they can't be described in any way as reliable. The FAA can halt launches for any reason. His allegiance to China and Russia certainly won't help.

nordsieck 3y ago
> among their cavalier attitude to safety, as seen with the latest starship launch and the chief twat playing it fast and loose with his security clearance You do understand that Starship is still in development, right? SpaceX is well known for their "hardware rich" development process. That doesn't seem to affect their operational reliability. Not sure what you mean by "fast and loose with his security clearance". He says wacky stuff on Twitter. I'm not defending what Musk writes there, but it doesn't really have an effect on SpaceX's reliability. > The FAA can halt launches for any reason. Not sure how this is relevant. > His allegiance to China and Russia certainly won't help. I don't think I've seen anyone establish any links between him and Russia. He had that one Ukraine peace plan, which was never going to work, but that isn't really a tie to Russia. Tesla does have a plant in China. But Boeing sells tons of planes in China; I don't ever hear people asking about ULA's ties to China. Same thing with Airbus and ArianeGroup.
- martin8412 3y ago
  Boeing defense is not the same as Boeing selling airliners. The dude smokes weed on a podcast with Joe Rogan. However silly, that is grounds for revocation of his security clearance. So is his friendly attitude towards enemies of the US. His peace plan for Ukraine came straight from the propaganda department of the Kremlin. Most likely, they'll settle for him being forced to divest his part of SpaceX.
panick21_ 3y ago
This is just nonsense. SpaceX has a far better saftey culture then Arianespace who regularly hid failures and deny journalist access who ask to many questions. > his security clearance One time a Boeing sponsored senator launched a fake investigation because Elon took a single (fake) hit from a joint in California. He has not played 'fast and loose' with security clearance. > they can't be described in any way as reliable Seems that the all the launch costumers, the military, NASA and the insurance industry disagree. > The FAA can halt launches for any reason. SpaceX has a really good relationship with the FAA. Thanks to SpaceX FAA is getting lots of money to expand and is reforming its internal organization. > His allegiance to China and Russia certainly won't help. Ah the fake allegiance you made up, sure. So you moved from 'having some valid points' to 'I hate Musk so I have to shit on everything related' mode.

nordsieck 3y ago

> among their cavalier attitude to safety, as seen with the latest starship launch and the chief twat playing it fast and loose with his security clearance You do understand that Starship is still in development, right? SpaceX is well known for their "hardware rich" development process. That doesn't seem to affect their operational reliability. Not sure what you mean by "fast and loose with his security clearance". He says wacky stuff on Twitter. I'm not defending what Musk writes there, but it doesn't really have an effect on SpaceX's reliability. > The FAA can halt launches for any reason. Not sure how this is relevant. > His allegiance to China and Russia certainly won't help. I don't think I've seen anyone establish any links between him and Russia. He had that one Ukraine peace plan, which was never going to work, but that isn't really a tie to Russia. Tesla does have a plant in China. But Boeing sells tons of planes in China; I don't ever hear people asking about ULA's ties to China. Same thing with Airbus and ArianeGroup.

martin8412 3y ago
Boeing defense is not the same as Boeing selling airliners. The dude smokes weed on a podcast with Joe Rogan. However silly, that is grounds for revocation of his security clearance. So is his friendly attitude towards enemies of the US. His peace plan for Ukraine came straight from the propaganda department of the Kremlin. Most likely, they'll settle for him being forced to divest his part of SpaceX.

panick21_ 3y ago

This is just nonsense. SpaceX has a far better saftey culture then Arianespace who regularly hid failures and deny journalist access who ask to many questions. > his security clearance One time a Boeing sponsored senator launched a fake investigation because Elon took a single (fake) hit from a joint in California. He has not played 'fast and loose' with security clearance. > they can't be described in any way as reliable Seems that the all the launch costumers, the military, NASA and the insurance industry disagree. > The FAA can halt launches for any reason. SpaceX has a really good relationship with the FAA. Thanks to SpaceX FAA is getting lots of money to expand and is reforming its internal organization. > His allegiance to China and Russia certainly won't help. Ah the fake allegiance you made up, sure. So you moved from 'having some valid points' to 'I hate Musk so I have to shit on everything related' mode.