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A bit disappointing it doesn't go into other details like being a women. As most PhD candidates are in their mid 20s and often by the end of the beginning of th

A bit disappointing it doesn't go into other details like being a women. As most PhD candidates are in their mid 20s and often by the end of the beginning of their academic careers they immediately have to decide to either have a family or pursue academia.

jvvw 3y ago
Didn't realise at the time but you have made me appreciate that that was one good thing about the British system - I was 24 when I submitted my PhD which is fairly typical so still time before such decisions (it was another 11 years before I discovered the challenges of combining a career with motherhood!)
- womenintech333 3y ago
  Reducing a PhD program to 4 years can help but in many fields this is still a problem. For many fields and form of absence of leave can be the end of your academic career. If I recall correctly the average PhD graduate is still 26-27 years old. Which doesn't help much too much even though the average US grad is 31. For many field though this would help a lot. In tech and stem not so much. I remember some of the female faculty I knew telling me exactly how and why so many women end up filtered out. Simply because they wanted to have a child and by the time they came back their research was outdated and their works published by others. They themselves never having children. It's why many women often leave academia for industry jobs. I personally believe how we conduct research and academia is outdated and does not allow for the proper inclusion of women. And does not allow men to be proper fathers. Sorry for the long talk. Edit: Got the average age for PhDs in UK wrong it's mid 30s. Even if they started right at the age of 22 it's a wall they will face almost immediately.
  - fractallyte 3y ago
    How should the system be changed to accommodate women? (And men/fathers?)
    - nikvaes 3y ago
      In my opinion, a first step is to equalize maternity and paternity leave. It should be equally disrupting for men to have children as for women (from the perspective of an employer). I like the Swedish implementation of this model, where partners get 480 days of leave per child which they are free to divide among themselves, with a minimum of 90 days for either.
      - agensaequivocum 3y ago
        That's a ridiculous amount of leave. A man does not need much time outside abnormal circumstances for paternity leave. I would almost never work, as my wife and I have a baby every year or two.
- michaelt 3y ago
  > I was 24 when I submitted my PhD which is fairly typical Good for you - that's very fast. According to [1] the median age for starting a PhD in the UK is 24 to 25 for full-time students. So you actually graduated around when the typical student starts. [1] https://www.hepi.ac.uk/wp-content/uploads/2020/06/PhD-Life_The-UK-Student-Experience_HEPI-Report-131.pdf https://www.hepi.ac.uk/wp-content/uploads/2020/06/PhD-Life_T...

jvvw 3y ago

Didn't realise at the time but you have made me appreciate that that was one good thing about the British system - I was 24 when I submitted my PhD which is fairly typical so still time before such decisions (it was another 11 years before I discovered the challenges of combining a career with motherhood!)

womenintech333 3y ago
Reducing a PhD program to 4 years can help but in many fields this is still a problem. For many fields and form of absence of leave can be the end of your academic career. If I recall correctly the average PhD graduate is still 26-27 years old. Which doesn't help much too much even though the average US grad is 31. For many field though this would help a lot. In tech and stem not so much. I remember some of the female faculty I knew telling me exactly how and why so many women end up filtered out. Simply because they wanted to have a child and by the time they came back their research was outdated and their works published by others. They themselves never having children. It's why many women often leave academia for industry jobs. I personally believe how we conduct research and academia is outdated and does not allow for the proper inclusion of women. And does not allow men to be proper fathers. Sorry for the long talk. Edit: Got the average age for PhDs in UK wrong it's mid 30s. Even if they started right at the age of 22 it's a wall they will face almost immediately.
- fractallyte 3y ago
  How should the system be changed to accommodate women? (And men/fathers?)
  - nikvaes 3y ago
    In my opinion, a first step is to equalize maternity and paternity leave. It should be equally disrupting for men to have children as for women (from the perspective of an employer). I like the Swedish implementation of this model, where partners get 480 days of leave per child which they are free to divide among themselves, with a minimum of 90 days for either.
    - agensaequivocum 3y ago
      That's a ridiculous amount of leave. A man does not need much time outside abnormal circumstances for paternity leave. I would almost never work, as my wife and I have a baby every year or two.
michaelt 3y ago
> I was 24 when I submitted my PhD which is fairly typical Good for you - that's very fast. According to [1] the median age for starting a PhD in the UK is 24 to 25 for full-time students. So you actually graduated around when the typical student starts. [1] https://www.hepi.ac.uk/wp-content/uploads/2020/06/PhD-Life_The-UK-Student-Experience_HEPI-Report-131.pdf https://www.hepi.ac.uk/wp-content/uploads/2020/06/PhD-Life_T...