> The Chinese Long March 9 plans, which are close to Starship, seem quite credible to me. The plans for the Long March 9 change every year or so. The last time

> The Chinese Long March 9 plans, which are close to Starship, seem quite credible to me. The plans for the Long March 9 change every year or so. The last time they published a design, it was a Saturn V semi-clone (with many more 1st stage engines). I'll take the Long March 9 seriously when they start showing off actual hardware.