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This is what we will get from these riots: - Massive tax increases - Less tourism - Economy will get worse - Price increases - No more investments in the s

This is what we will get from these riots: - Massive tax increases - Less tourism - Economy will get worse - Price increases - No more investments in the suburbs - Less libraries and other free services - More surveillance - More police - Restrictions on communications Just because of kids who wanted an adrenaline rush.

rozenmd 3y ago
> because of kids who wanted an adrenaline rush. Just because a cop decided to pull the trigger on a 17 year old instead of literally any other course of action, you mean? Edit: sorry, emotional response.
- yostrovs 3y ago
  It's as much of an overreaction to shoot the driver as it is to riot and burn cities in response to the shooting.
- Philorandroid 3y ago
  This comment echoes a lot of the sentiments I'm seeing in this thread. I have to wonder if holding the proverbial gun to the head of the world around you, ready to pull the trigger at any well-timed injustice, paying lip service to the destruction of private property in spite of the authoritarian sentiments it fosters, and generally thumbing one's nose at the idea that it's entirely possible that neither the police nor the rioters are in the right, is the intellectually-honest approach?
  - LargeTomato 3y ago
    That's a lot of really big words. Anyway, the French protest very often. People joke that it's their national passtime. If these protestors are almost entirely children I have a hard time believing this is about civil injustice and I am more inclined to believe this is just for fun and clout.
    - Philorandroid 3y ago
      Here are some smaller ones for you then: €1+ billion worth of damage to private property isn't in the norm for France's protest fixation, and regardless of the motivations of the actors, my concern is how many people here are giving it lip service like France deserved it for one officer's bad(?) shoot.
- jedisct1 3y ago
  That was just a signal to start the fun, it could have been anything else. This has nothing to do with the kid being shot or with asking for less police brutality. This is rather for thugs to show that they can do whatever they want and don't care about the police or anybody else.
  - hinata08 3y ago
    yup yup Kids seem to be replaying 2005 to be on the track of their big brothers. But suburbs no longer exist, and the legitimate grievance and political claims from back then are hardly current anymore. So it's just for fame they do that now. And the one who spoke up in the news, or faced trials, are just airheads who did this for the clout and to follow friends. They're not criminals or activists. And honestly, it feels weird. The clout culture is no more important than the state or the left wing political demands of our generations. We're old. However, in a way, they have anarchy in their blood. So it will be interesting to see what they will become in a decade or two.
- LargeTomato 3y ago
  If it's only children protesting I have a hard time sympathizing with the protests. I feel that if something truly heinous happened then many French people would be protesting, not just children on TikTok.
  - aiisjustanif 3y ago
    That’s a bit of unfair thinking.
    - LargeTomato 3y ago
      Why? If people will fully developed brains who have an active, vested interest in society don't care. If activists don't care. If the only people who care are, on average, 15 years old, then why should I feel the protests are important?
makeitdouble 3y ago
> - No more investments in the suburbs I don't think the suburbs that are burning right now were seeing significant investments in the first place, same for the libraries and free services, surveillance and police. There has always been a split between rich/middle class suburbs, and the more social and left over suburbs. Sometimes the two being separated by a small river, sometimes just a big road to cross. Nanterre [0] for instance is really interesting as it's a pretty socially low place, but surrounded by La Defense (basically Paris' newer financial center), Neuilly (where a ton of old money resides) and Puteau/Courbevoie/Rueil MalMaison which have France's giant consulting and service firms (Cap Gemini etc.) and the newer white collar elite. [0]https://goo.gl/maps/nZw3CvWq7LQhfWKE8 https://goo.gl/maps/nZw3CvWq7LQhfWKE8

rozenmd 3y ago

> because of kids who wanted an adrenaline rush. Just because a cop decided to pull the trigger on a 17 year old instead of literally any other course of action, you mean? Edit: sorry, emotional response.

yostrovs 3y ago
It's as much of an overreaction to shoot the driver as it is to riot and burn cities in response to the shooting.
Philorandroid 3y ago
This comment echoes a lot of the sentiments I'm seeing in this thread. I have to wonder if holding the proverbial gun to the head of the world around you, ready to pull the trigger at any well-timed injustice, paying lip service to the destruction of private property in spite of the authoritarian sentiments it fosters, and generally thumbing one's nose at the idea that it's entirely possible that neither the police nor the rioters are in the right, is the intellectually-honest approach?
- LargeTomato 3y ago
  That's a lot of really big words. Anyway, the French protest very often. People joke that it's their national passtime. If these protestors are almost entirely children I have a hard time believing this is about civil injustice and I am more inclined to believe this is just for fun and clout.
  - Philorandroid 3y ago
    Here are some smaller ones for you then: €1+ billion worth of damage to private property isn't in the norm for France's protest fixation, and regardless of the motivations of the actors, my concern is how many people here are giving it lip service like France deserved it for one officer's bad(?) shoot.
jedisct1 3y ago
That was just a signal to start the fun, it could have been anything else. This has nothing to do with the kid being shot or with asking for less police brutality. This is rather for thugs to show that they can do whatever they want and don't care about the police or anybody else.
- hinata08 3y ago
  yup yup Kids seem to be replaying 2005 to be on the track of their big brothers. But suburbs no longer exist, and the legitimate grievance and political claims from back then are hardly current anymore. So it's just for fame they do that now. And the one who spoke up in the news, or faced trials, are just airheads who did this for the clout and to follow friends. They're not criminals or activists. And honestly, it feels weird. The clout culture is no more important than the state or the left wing political demands of our generations. We're old. However, in a way, they have anarchy in their blood. So it will be interesting to see what they will become in a decade or two.
LargeTomato 3y ago
If it's only children protesting I have a hard time sympathizing with the protests. I feel that if something truly heinous happened then many French people would be protesting, not just children on TikTok.
- aiisjustanif 3y ago
  That’s a bit of unfair thinking.
  - LargeTomato 3y ago
    Why? If people will fully developed brains who have an active, vested interest in society don't care. If activists don't care. If the only people who care are, on average, 15 years old, then why should I feel the protests are important?

makeitdouble 3y ago

> - No more investments in the suburbs I don't think the suburbs that are burning right now were seeing significant investments in the first place, same for the libraries and free services, surveillance and police. There has always been a split between rich/middle class suburbs, and the more social and left over suburbs. Sometimes the two being separated by a small river, sometimes just a big road to cross. Nanterre [0] for instance is really interesting as it's a pretty socially low place, but surrounded by La Defense (basically Paris' newer financial center), Neuilly (where a ton of old money resides) and Puteau/Courbevoie/Rueil MalMaison which have France's giant consulting and service firms (Cap Gemini etc.) and the newer white collar elite. [0]https://goo.gl/maps/nZw3CvWq7LQhfWKE8 https://goo.gl/maps/nZw3CvWq7LQhfWKE8