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I've never really understood the point of comments like this. So, there are conditions where cycling isn't feasible. Sure. Does that mean people in general coul

by scbrg 3y ago

I've never really understood the point of comments like this. So, there are conditions where cycling isn't feasible. Sure. Does that mean people in general couldn't use bicycles more? No, of course not. Did GP suggest that everyone that lives within 5km of work must bike every day. No, not that either. For every solution it's easy to find a situation where that solution doesn't apply. So what? That doesn't mean the solution is worthless. Last I checked, the Alps didn't cover all of Germany - did they move recently?

ceving 3y ago
"Alps" was a pars pro toto. See here for a complete list of mountains: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_mountain_and_hill_ranges_in_Germany https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_mountain_and_hill_rang... And this are the raining days: https://de.statista.com/statistik/daten/studie/1892/umfrage/staedte-in-deutschland-mit-den-meisten-regentagen/ https://de.statista.com/statistik/daten/studie/1892/umfrage/... It is raining more than half of a year in many cities.
- scbrg 3y ago
  Fair enough, and thanks for teaching me the term "pars pro toto". Today I was one of the lucky 10k :)
  - wizofaus 3y ago
    "Synecdoche" is probably the more common term.
Aachen 3y ago
> I've never really understood the point of comments like this. As a Dutchman who doesn't enjoy cycling, especially alone (for function rather than leisure), I do see their point. It's just not an alternative for me. I'll put up with it if it's <1km of flat land with safe infrastructure, but beyond that I'm opening up a public transport planner. Also in NL, most trips are >1km and/or carry more freight than fits in a backpack or on the rack (?bagagedrager) (could take the bike in hand and hang your bags from the handlebars, though). I'm happy to pay a bit extra for Climeworks to take the CO2 out of the air again that was added while building the wind turbine for my electricity-powered method of transportation. But to each their own. Cycling is also healthy, especially if we'd no longer be surrounded by combustion transportation. I'm all for bicycle infrastructure and promotion.
wizofaus 3y ago
I use a bike to get around pretty much whenever I can but I'd be the first to admit cars are suitable for a far wider range of journey types, and it's not exactly surprising that in most countries in the world people prefer to drive cars over riding bikes. The best we can realistically hope for is ensuring that whatever barriers exist now that discourage people from cycling (safety concerns typically being #1) are addressed and minimised. Though certainly in the case of Germany you can compare it to two of its neighbours (to the west and north) and reasonably conclude more can be done to promote cycling as a way to get around in towns and cities.

by scbrg 3y ago

ceving 3y ago

"Alps" was a pars pro toto. See here for a complete list of mountains: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_mountain_and_hill_ranges_in_Germany https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_mountain_and_hill_rang... And this are the raining days: https://de.statista.com/statistik/daten/studie/1892/umfrage/staedte-in-deutschland-mit-den-meisten-regentagen/ https://de.statista.com/statistik/daten/studie/1892/umfrage/... It is raining more than half of a year in many cities.

scbrg 3y ago
Fair enough, and thanks for teaching me the term "pars pro toto". Today I was one of the lucky 10k :)
- wizofaus 3y ago
  "Synecdoche" is probably the more common term.

Aachen 3y ago

> I've never really understood the point of comments like this. As a Dutchman who doesn't enjoy cycling, especially alone (for function rather than leisure), I do see their point. It's just not an alternative for me. I'll put up with it if it's <1km of flat land with safe infrastructure, but beyond that I'm opening up a public transport planner. Also in NL, most trips are >1km and/or carry more freight than fits in a backpack or on the rack (?bagagedrager) (could take the bike in hand and hang your bags from the handlebars, though). I'm happy to pay a bit extra for Climeworks to take the CO2 out of the air again that was added while building the wind turbine for my electricity-powered method of transportation. But to each their own. Cycling is also healthy, especially if we'd no longer be surrounded by combustion transportation. I'm all for bicycle infrastructure and promotion.

wizofaus 3y ago

I use a bike to get around pretty much whenever I can but I'd be the first to admit cars are suitable for a far wider range of journey types, and it's not exactly surprising that in most countries in the world people prefer to drive cars over riding bikes. The best we can realistically hope for is ensuring that whatever barriers exist now that discourage people from cycling (safety concerns typically being #1) are addressed and minimised. Though certainly in the case of Germany you can compare it to two of its neighbours (to the west and north) and reasonably conclude more can be done to promote cycling as a way to get around in towns and cities.