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> the AfD, which is a far-right party most would never consider to vote for. The AFD is currently the second most popular political party in Germany and the st

by harrid 3y ago

> the AfD, which is a far-right party most would never consider to vote for. The AFD is currently the second most popular political party in Germany and the strongest in many parts. It's also better described as center-left.

_ph_ 3y ago
No, the AfD is a right extremist party, one of their leading figures, Björn Höcke can now legally be called a Nazi.
- cubefox 3y ago
  Their stance on immigration is completely mainstream in many other countries.
  - _ph_ 3y ago
    That doesn't contradict what I wrote.
    - cubefox 3y ago
      But then you would have to claim that the mainstream parties of many, if not most, countries are "right extremist". Japan would probably count as significantly more "extremist" than the AfD.
      - _ph_ 3y ago
        I would call all parties right extremists who deny or relativate the Holocaust, consider shooting people at the borders and so on.
        harrid 3y ago
        That is a gross misrepresentation of that parties position.
- harrid 3y ago
  And that's exactly proof of how immensely far left Germany's politics have shifted. In absolute terms, the AFD is a left leaning party. They still support "immigration" for example.
  - _ph_ 3y ago
    No, that is a myth. They are right wing extremists.
  - Timon3 3y ago
    Could you explain how the AfD is left leaning? Their positions align with the right: - stopping immigration - stronger rights for police and authorities - emphasis on classical gender roles, ban of LGBT "propaganda" (as they call it) - lowering taxes and reducing government size - leaving the Euro zone and creating a new currency And since they are taking these positions to their extremes, it seems entirely fair to call them "extreme right". No other parties would keep literal Nazis among their leadership.
    - cubefox 3y ago
      Similar positions count as moderate in many other countries.
      - Timon3 3y ago
        You did not understand me correctly. They are taking extreme versions of these positions. It doesn't matter whether the positions themselves count as moderate in other countries or not.
adrianN 3y ago
Left-right is an inadequate system for classifying politics, but the AfD is certainly not center, and it's ridiculous to classify them as "left", either economically (where there are mostly neoliberal) or socially (where they are as conservative as you can get).

by harrid 3y ago

_ph_ 3y ago

No, the AfD is a right extremist party, one of their leading figures, Björn Höcke can now legally be called a Nazi.

cubefox 3y ago
Their stance on immigration is completely mainstream in many other countries.
- _ph_ 3y ago
  That doesn't contradict what I wrote.
  - cubefox 3y ago
    But then you would have to claim that the mainstream parties of many, if not most, countries are "right extremist". Japan would probably count as significantly more "extremist" than the AfD.
    - _ph_ 3y ago
      I would call all parties right extremists who deny or relativate the Holocaust, consider shooting people at the borders and so on.
      - harrid 3y ago
        That is a gross misrepresentation of that parties position.
harrid 3y ago
And that's exactly proof of how immensely far left Germany's politics have shifted. In absolute terms, the AFD is a left leaning party. They still support "immigration" for example.
- _ph_ 3y ago
  No, that is a myth. They are right wing extremists.
- Timon3 3y ago
  Could you explain how the AfD is left leaning? Their positions align with the right: - stopping immigration - stronger rights for police and authorities - emphasis on classical gender roles, ban of LGBT "propaganda" (as they call it) - lowering taxes and reducing government size - leaving the Euro zone and creating a new currency And since they are taking these positions to their extremes, it seems entirely fair to call them "extreme right". No other parties would keep literal Nazis among their leadership.
  - cubefox 3y ago
    Similar positions count as moderate in many other countries.
    - Timon3 3y ago
      You did not understand me correctly. They are taking extreme versions of these positions. It doesn't matter whether the positions themselves count as moderate in other countries or not.

adrianN 3y ago

Left-right is an inadequate system for classifying politics, but the AfD is certainly not center, and it's ridiculous to classify them as "left", either economically (where there are mostly neoliberal) or socially (where they are as conservative as you can get).