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Every country in the world has their share of far right bozos. Those of Azov are quite mild, by the way. And they are putting their lives where their mouths are

Every country in the world has their share of far right bozos. Those of Azov are quite mild, by the way. And they are putting their lives where their mouths are, suprisingly, going out and fight Russians. Unlikely their European or US ideology brothers, who mostly fight the police during and after football games. Or, even worse, harmless LGBT folks on pride parades.

gdy 3y ago
"Every country in the world has their share of far right bozos" I'd suggest you follow the links I gave you. "In this first English-language book on the Azov movement, Michael Colborne explains how Azov came to be and continues to exploit Ukraine’s fractured social and political situation—including the only ongoing war on European soil – to build one of the most ambitious and dangerous far-right movements in the world. Michael Colborne ... has been part of the Bellingcat Monitoring Project team at the investigative journalism website Bellingcat, primarily researching Ukraine’s far right." And by the way, what other country made a neo-Nazi brigade a part of its army? "And they are putting their lives where their mouths are" Not sure what's your point. Nazis were doing that too.
- neoromantique 3y ago
  >And by the way, what other country made a neo-Nazi brigade a part of its army? Literally all of them, including Russia of course(which has multiple).
  - pandaman 3y ago
    Are you able to name a couple, or even one, if multiple are too hard?
    - neoromantique 3y ago
      Wagner and its sub Rusich? Both are directly funded by Russia (as recently admitted by Putin himself). You can possibly claim that it is PMC rather than direct Russian military, but then there is the recent ultimatum given to Wagner troops -- Join Russian military ranks or leave.
      - pandaman 3y ago
        Even if we consider "Wagner" to be "neo-nazi" with no evidence what so ever, as you noticed yourself, it's a PMC, so it's not a part of the military. And the ultimatum confirms that (you cannot demand people who are part of the military to join the military). As for "Rusich" relation to "Wagner" there are just Western journalists claiming that. "Wagner" is not very secretive and Prigozhin is making more videos than some ecelebs yet he never mentioned that nor has shown any "Rusich" troops. Was it all you had?
        neoromantique 3y ago
        >Even if we consider "Wagner" to be "neo-nazi" with no evidence what so ever. lol, I'm done. Edit: Looked through comment history and it makes sense now. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30731180 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30731180 You're a joke, and you should be ashamed of yourself.
        pandaman 3y ago
        Sure, and you should not be lying though.
        gdy 3y ago
        "Even if we consider "Wagner" to be "neo-nazi" with no evidence what so ever" Well, this sure looks like an evidence of Wagner's commander having a neo-Nazi tattoo [0][1]. Besides Utkin's personality there doesn't seem to be anything else. [0] https://t.me/concordgroup_official/729 https://t.me/concordgroup_official/729 [1] https://t.me/concordgroup_official/736 https://t.me/concordgroup_official/736
        pandaman 3y ago
        What's the answer? It doesn't play audio for me.
        gdy 3y ago
- lisasays 3y ago
  The same Michael Colborne this commenter is citing has also written that he "wouldn't call [the Azov Movement] explicitly a neo-Nazi movement", and told Haaretz in 2022: "After the first few years of its formation, only a small minority of members had far right connections. ... The Azov Battalion and the entire Azov movement are almost completely untainted by antisemitism." Not that I'm defending Azov. Just that I don't think that this commenter's apparent concerns about Azov's political beliefs are what they seem. I don't think they really care as to whether Azov is now, or ever was neo-Nazi in any substantive sense. It's just a topic they like to through around to push people's emotional buttons, and distract from far more obvious and important issues. Pretty much exactly like Putin is doing whenever he plays the Nazi card.
  - gdy 3y ago
    "only a small minority of members had far right connections" Of course its commanders are a minority. "untainted by antisemitism" So it's ok to hate other nationalities if it's not Jews? No one idolizing Bandera and the likes of him cannot be untainted by Nazism. "I don't think they really" Pretending to read other person's mind and accuse them of insincerity based on that makes a poor argument. "to push people's emotional buttons, and distract " You mean people in Western countries might learn whom they are helping and ask questions like "why exactly have we been doing this"?
    - lisasays 3y ago
      You mean those naive, brainwashed fools in Western countries might learn ... We know all about the topic. However, it's clear from the overall tone of how you communicate here (and your endless evasions when cornered on simple factual matters) that you are either not capable of, or are simply not interested in anything even remotely resembling a productive discussion about it.
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gdy 3y ago

"Every country in the world has their share of far right bozos" I'd suggest you follow the links I gave you. "In this first English-language book on the Azov movement, Michael Colborne explains how Azov came to be and continues to exploit Ukraine’s fractured social and political situation—including the only ongoing war on European soil – to build one of the most ambitious and dangerous far-right movements in the world. Michael Colborne ... has been part of the Bellingcat Monitoring Project team at the investigative journalism website Bellingcat, primarily researching Ukraine’s far right." And by the way, what other country made a neo-Nazi brigade a part of its army? "And they are putting their lives where their mouths are" Not sure what's your point. Nazis were doing that too.

neoromantique 3y ago
>And by the way, what other country made a neo-Nazi brigade a part of its army? Literally all of them, including Russia of course(which has multiple).
- pandaman 3y ago
  Are you able to name a couple, or even one, if multiple are too hard?
  - neoromantique 3y ago
    Wagner and its sub Rusich? Both are directly funded by Russia (as recently admitted by Putin himself). You can possibly claim that it is PMC rather than direct Russian military, but then there is the recent ultimatum given to Wagner troops -- Join Russian military ranks or leave.
    - pandaman 3y ago
      Even if we consider "Wagner" to be "neo-nazi" with no evidence what so ever, as you noticed yourself, it's a PMC, so it's not a part of the military. And the ultimatum confirms that (you cannot demand people who are part of the military to join the military). As for "Rusich" relation to "Wagner" there are just Western journalists claiming that. "Wagner" is not very secretive and Prigozhin is making more videos than some ecelebs yet he never mentioned that nor has shown any "Rusich" troops. Was it all you had?
      - neoromantique 3y ago
        >Even if we consider "Wagner" to be "neo-nazi" with no evidence what so ever. lol, I'm done. Edit: Looked through comment history and it makes sense now. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30731180 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30731180 You're a joke, and you should be ashamed of yourself.
        pandaman 3y ago
        Sure, and you should not be lying though.
      - gdy 3y ago
        "Even if we consider "Wagner" to be "neo-nazi" with no evidence what so ever" Well, this sure looks like an evidence of Wagner's commander having a neo-Nazi tattoo [0][1]. Besides Utkin's personality there doesn't seem to be anything else. [0] https://t.me/concordgroup_official/729 https://t.me/concordgroup_official/729 [1] https://t.me/concordgroup_official/736 https://t.me/concordgroup_official/736
        pandaman 3y ago
        What's the answer? It doesn't play audio for me.
        gdy 3y ago
lisasays 3y ago
The same Michael Colborne this commenter is citing has also written that he "wouldn't call [the Azov Movement] explicitly a neo-Nazi movement", and told Haaretz in 2022: "After the first few years of its formation, only a small minority of members had far right connections. ... The Azov Battalion and the entire Azov movement are almost completely untainted by antisemitism." Not that I'm defending Azov. Just that I don't think that this commenter's apparent concerns about Azov's political beliefs are what they seem. I don't think they really care as to whether Azov is now, or ever was neo-Nazi in any substantive sense. It's just a topic they like to through around to push people's emotional buttons, and distract from far more obvious and important issues. Pretty much exactly like Putin is doing whenever he plays the Nazi card.
- gdy 3y ago
  "only a small minority of members had far right connections" Of course its commanders are a minority. "untainted by antisemitism" So it's ok to hate other nationalities if it's not Jews? No one idolizing Bandera and the likes of him cannot be untainted by Nazism. "I don't think they really" Pretending to read other person's mind and accuse them of insincerity based on that makes a poor argument. "to push people's emotional buttons, and distract " You mean people in Western countries might learn whom they are helping and ask questions like "why exactly have we been doing this"?
  - lisasays 3y ago
    You mean those naive, brainwashed fools in Western countries might learn ... We know all about the topic. However, it's clear from the overall tone of how you communicate here (and your endless evasions when cornered on simple factual matters) that you are either not capable of, or are simply not interested in anything even remotely resembling a productive discussion about it.
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