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Most of the population changed their mind and is pro-nuclear. But sadly the only party really supporting nuclear energy is the AfD, which is a far-right party m

by JanSt 3y ago

Most of the population changed their mind and is pro-nuclear. But sadly the only party really supporting nuclear energy is the AfD, which is a far-right party most would never consider to vote for. Nuclear phase-out is part of the Green party identity; the CDU had Merkel going against nuclear after Fukushima and can't really go back, the FDP agreed, the SPD is also against it.

kataklasm 3y ago
I'm afraid you're not realizing the impact of your echo chamber. The bulk of german voting power lies in the age group of 40 to 70, measured by voter turnout per age group. People aged 45 and up felt the imoact of the Chernobyl disaster, whole forests in Germany are still not allowed to be foraged for mushrooms because of ground contamination. Those people have their fear of nuclear power ingrained in them and as usual there's not a lot you can do to convince them. As such "Most of the population changed their mind and is pro nuclear." is definitely not true, at least not right now and I doubt it will ever change. And as we've seen recently in the state of Thuringia, AFD has garnered the top with 35%, that's far from "most people would never consider to vote for".
- oaiey 3y ago
  I certainly remember my father digging the earth of our fruit garden aside half a year after the fallout of Chernobyl. Things added to perspective.
- JanSt 3y ago
  It's not an echo chamber but statistics: https://www.tech-for-future.de/atomkraft-umfrage/#Wie_viel_Prozent_der_Deutschen_sind_fuer_Atomkraft https://www.tech-for-future.de/atomkraft-umfrage/#Wie_viel_P...
harrid 3y ago
> the AfD, which is a far-right party most would never consider to vote for. The AFD is currently the second most popular political party in Germany and the strongest in many parts. It's also better described as center-left.
- _ph_ 3y ago
  No, the AfD is a right extremist party, one of their leading figures, Björn Höcke can now legally be called a Nazi.
  - cubefox 3y ago
    Their stance on immigration is completely mainstream in many other countries.
    - _ph_ 3y ago
      That doesn't contradict what I wrote.
      - cubefox 3y ago
        But then you would have to claim that the mainstream parties of many, if not most, countries are "right extremist". Japan would probably count as significantly more "extremist" than the AfD.
        _ph_ 3y ago
        I would call all parties right extremists who deny or relativate the Holocaust, consider shooting people at the borders and so on.
        harrid 3y ago
        That is a gross misrepresentation of that parties position.
  - harrid 3y ago
    And that's exactly proof of how immensely far left Germany's politics have shifted. In absolute terms, the AFD is a left leaning party. They still support "immigration" for example.
ceving 3y ago
I am not pro-nuclear! It is the worst energy ever! The earth receives 5000 times more energy from the sun than mankind needs! It is free. Just use it.
- JanSt 3y ago
  lignite coal is the worst one, literally bringing us climate change, extremely bad air and pollution.
lyu07282 3y ago
Yeah but they didnt shut it down because of some safety concerns, in truth nuclear is just too cheap for infinite growth of the German electricity corpos, and those pay all the politicians. Highest electricity prices on the planet, that's good old corruption that rotted Germany to the core. And their politics is all neoliberal, of course they drive people to the right, it's the only alternative that doesn't threaten capital.

by JanSt 3y ago

kataklasm 3y ago

I'm afraid you're not realizing the impact of your echo chamber. The bulk of german voting power lies in the age group of 40 to 70, measured by voter turnout per age group. People aged 45 and up felt the imoact of the Chernobyl disaster, whole forests in Germany are still not allowed to be foraged for mushrooms because of ground contamination. Those people have their fear of nuclear power ingrained in them and as usual there's not a lot you can do to convince them. As such "Most of the population changed their mind and is pro nuclear." is definitely not true, at least not right now and I doubt it will ever change. And as we've seen recently in the state of Thuringia, AFD has garnered the top with 35%, that's far from "most people would never consider to vote for".

oaiey 3y ago
I certainly remember my father digging the earth of our fruit garden aside half a year after the fallout of Chernobyl. Things added to perspective.
JanSt 3y ago
It's not an echo chamber but statistics: https://www.tech-for-future.de/atomkraft-umfrage/#Wie_viel_Prozent_der_Deutschen_sind_fuer_Atomkraft https://www.tech-for-future.de/atomkraft-umfrage/#Wie_viel_P...

harrid 3y ago

> the AfD, which is a far-right party most would never consider to vote for. The AFD is currently the second most popular political party in Germany and the strongest in many parts. It's also better described as center-left.

_ph_ 3y ago
No, the AfD is a right extremist party, one of their leading figures, Björn Höcke can now legally be called a Nazi.
- cubefox 3y ago
  Their stance on immigration is completely mainstream in many other countries.
  - _ph_ 3y ago
    That doesn't contradict what I wrote.
    - cubefox 3y ago
      But then you would have to claim that the mainstream parties of many, if not most, countries are "right extremist". Japan would probably count as significantly more "extremist" than the AfD.
      - _ph_ 3y ago
        I would call all parties right extremists who deny or relativate the Holocaust, consider shooting people at the borders and so on.
        harrid 3y ago
        That is a gross misrepresentation of that parties position.
- harrid 3y ago
  And that's exactly proof of how immensely far left Germany's politics have shifted. In absolute terms, the AFD is a left leaning party. They still support "immigration" for example.

ceving 3y ago

I am not pro-nuclear! It is the worst energy ever! The earth receives 5000 times more energy from the sun than mankind needs! It is free. Just use it.

JanSt 3y ago
lignite coal is the worst one, literally bringing us climate change, extremely bad air and pollution.

lyu07282 3y ago

Yeah but they didnt shut it down because of some safety concerns, in truth nuclear is just too cheap for infinite growth of the German electricity corpos, and those pay all the politicians. Highest electricity prices on the planet, that's good old corruption that rotted Germany to the core. And their politics is all neoliberal, of course they drive people to the right, it's the only alternative that doesn't threaten capital.