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Your comment is wrong and malicious and looking at the data proves you wrong. Using lignite only slowed the reduction of coal, nuclear was almost completely re

Your comment is wrong and malicious and looking at the data proves you wrong. Using lignite only slowed the reduction of coal, nuclear was almost completely replaced by renewables. https://www.energy-charts.info/charts/power/chart.htm?l=en&c=DE&legendItems=0010011000000001100000&interval=year&stacking=stacked_absolute_area https://www.energy-charts.info/charts/power/chart.htm?l=en&c...

starbugs 3y ago
Could you please explain how that chart proves your argument and how it makes the parent comment "malicious"?
KptMarchewa 3y ago
This only shows that you could remove more coal keeping nuclear... https://i.imgur.com/4dH6osj.png https://i.imgur.com/4dH6osj.png Not to mention all the previously closed plants. Every MW of nuclear shut down while coal is still running is coal displacing nuclear.
voqv 3y ago
Just selecting 2023 as a timeframe isn't good data. You can see here [1] that on a time frame of 2000 to 2022 Germany is yet to replace reduction of nuclear generation (Kernkraft) with renewables. Construction of renewables in 2023 has only accelerated 50% relative to 2022 [2]. [1] https://www.tech-for-future.de/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2022/01/Klimafreundlicher-Strom-in-Deutschland-2000-2022.png https://www.tech-for-future.de/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/... [2] https://www.energy-charts.info/charts/installed_power/chart.htm?l=en&c=DE&chartColumnSorting=default&interval=month&partsum=1&year=2023 https://www.energy-charts.info/charts/installed_power/chart....
- Gwypaas 3y ago
  > You can see here [1] that on a time frame of 2000 to 2022 Germany is yet to replace reduction of nuclear generation (Kernkraft) with renewables Which is another misrepresentation of statistics given that we use less electricity today than 20 years ago. See this page for "all varieties" of the same graphs. Generally coal is on a downward trajectory, except the blip for the Covid years. https://www.cleanenergywire.org/factsheets/germanys-energy-consumption-and-power-mix-charts https://www.cleanenergywire.org/factsheets/germanys-energy-c...
  - voqv 3y ago
    I'm not sure at which one of those graphs I should be looking at. The gross power consumption one seems to refute your own claim. The total gross electricity usage of Germany in 1990 was 551 Twh, 587 twh in 2003 and is currently around 550 Twh. Current expectations is that usage will grow to 650 Twh in 2030 and to 750+ Twh in 2050.
simondotau 3y ago
Charts are an irrelevant red herring. The argument is simple and indisputable: Germany's collective investments in renewables was not predicated on the closing of nuclear plants instead of coal plants. Had Germany not shut down nuclear, they could have shut down coal. It's that simple.

starbugs 3y ago

Could you please explain how that chart proves your argument and how it makes the parent comment "malicious"?

KptMarchewa 3y ago

This only shows that you could remove more coal keeping nuclear... https://i.imgur.com/4dH6osj.png https://i.imgur.com/4dH6osj.png Not to mention all the previously closed plants. Every MW of nuclear shut down while coal is still running is coal displacing nuclear.

voqv 3y ago

Just selecting 2023 as a timeframe isn't good data. You can see here [1] that on a time frame of 2000 to 2022 Germany is yet to replace reduction of nuclear generation (Kernkraft) with renewables. Construction of renewables in 2023 has only accelerated 50% relative to 2022 [2]. [1] https://www.tech-for-future.de/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2022/01/Klimafreundlicher-Strom-in-Deutschland-2000-2022.png https://www.tech-for-future.de/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/... [2] https://www.energy-charts.info/charts/installed_power/chart.htm?l=en&c=DE&chartColumnSorting=default&interval=month&partsum=1&year=2023 https://www.energy-charts.info/charts/installed_power/chart....

Gwypaas 3y ago
> You can see here [1] that on a time frame of 2000 to 2022 Germany is yet to replace reduction of nuclear generation (Kernkraft) with renewables Which is another misrepresentation of statistics given that we use less electricity today than 20 years ago. See this page for "all varieties" of the same graphs. Generally coal is on a downward trajectory, except the blip for the Covid years. https://www.cleanenergywire.org/factsheets/germanys-energy-consumption-and-power-mix-charts https://www.cleanenergywire.org/factsheets/germanys-energy-c...
- voqv 3y ago
  I'm not sure at which one of those graphs I should be looking at. The gross power consumption one seems to refute your own claim. The total gross electricity usage of Germany in 1990 was 551 Twh, 587 twh in 2003 and is currently around 550 Twh. Current expectations is that usage will grow to 650 Twh in 2030 and to 750+ Twh in 2050.

simondotau 3y ago

Charts are an irrelevant red herring. The argument is simple and indisputable: Germany's collective investments in renewables was not predicated on the closing of nuclear plants instead of coal plants. Had Germany not shut down nuclear, they could have shut down coal. It's that simple.