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Heating is one thing we have tackle, but also transportation which uses up 27.1% of energy in German. Individual transportation should be a main target, we woul

by TomK32 3y ago

Heating is one thing we have tackle, but also transportation which uses up 27.1% of energy in German. Individual transportation should be a main target, we would all shift from cars to public transport or bicycles. About 40% of distances driven with cars are shorter than 5 kilometers, a distance that's perfect for a bicycle. On top of that, car owners tend to underestimate the cost of their cars[1] [0] https://www.umweltbundesamt.de/daten/energie/energieverbrauch-nach-energietraegern-sektoren#entwicklung-des-endenergieverbrauchs-nach-sektoren-und-energietragern https://www.umweltbundesamt.de/daten/energie/energieverbrauc... [1] https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-020-01118-w https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-020-01118-w

2-718-281-828 3y ago
> Heating is one thing we have tackle we have _to_ tackle or we have tackle_d_? duh ... -- i am german and i find sloppy use of language annoying especially if it invites orthogonal interpretation. people should reread what they write publicly and then fix it if necessary.
- JanSt 3y ago
  eagerly waiting for you to respond in German
  - ben_w 3y ago
    "Englische Sprache, schwere Sprache." (There's a saying which surprised me when I moved here: https://lal.de/blog/deutsche-sprache-schwere-sprache/ https://lal.de/blog/deutsche-sprache-schwere-sprache/)
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- techperson20007 3y ago
  Are you seriously shaming a non-native speaker for their English right now? smh…
jskrablin 3y ago
Yeah, targeting individual transport with inefficient public transport and bicycles while restarting abandoned coal power plants and abandoning running nuclear power plants is going to work wonderfully indeed.
- sofixa 3y ago
  > inefficient public transpor What do you mean inefficient? Multiple things can be done at the same time on the country scale. Improve bike infrastructure and public transit, encourage EVs for those that have to drive, decarbonise energy generation, electrify heating and industry, etc.
- Moldoteck 3y ago
  public transport can be efficient if done correctly and funded accordingly (Japan, Switzerland)
  - fxtentacle 3y ago
    I'd like to add Singapore because they buy their excellent MRT trains from Germany.
    - Moldoteck 3y ago
      maybe, I was just in Switzerland and people said that Japan is even better in terms of transit. If Singapore has reliable prioritized public transport, then yep, it's cool. What shocked me the most is that in Swiss, all tickets for any transport can be bought in a single app, and if you don't want extra hassle, you don't even need to buy it, just press a button and the app will calculate by gps what you need to pay. This + super precise arrival times...
    - ulfw 3y ago
      Not one single kind of rolling stock in Singapore's MRT is made in Germany. Why do you just claim random things like that as if it were true? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Singapore_MRT_and_LRT_rolling_stock https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Singapore_MRT_and_LRT_...
ulfw 3y ago
This is why so many are fed up with Germany and especially Germany's current government. You know, maybe people don't want to bike in a country where it's too hot in the summer, too icey/cold/snowy in the winter and where it rains constantly in the other two seasons? This whole attitude of "I tell you how to live your life because reasons" is preposterous.
- maigret 3y ago
  Biking all year is perfectly possible in most of Germany. There are enough good clothes to counter bad weather, snow and especially ice keeps getting rarer. Biking adoption depends most of the infrastructure and also whether your peers do it too. It has also many positive health side effects.
- adrianN 3y ago
  So? Take the bike when the weather is nice and the car when it's not nice. That still reduces the kilometers you drive by a lot. Nobody forces you to bike when it's 40°C or -20.
- Aachen 3y ago
  People aren't telling you how to live, they're saying that certain current practices are inefficient in a way that causes harm. An extreme comparison would be a murderer-for-hire telling the judge "don't tell me how to live my life, this is a free country!" but that's kinda what that sounds like. You're free to do what you want, yeah... until it harms others. Individual transportation will always remain an option, but it might be prohibitively expensive for most people to be their main mode of transport when one has to refund the environmental damage it adds. As for cycling specifically, you and me both as I said here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36601619 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36601619 We agree there, but it's not going to be compulsory to cycle...
ceving 3y ago
I would like to see you cycling 5 km in the Alps against the wind in the rain. Cycling is fine. I do it 7 km to the work. But only because it is flat. And only when the weather is fine.
- scbrg 3y ago
  I've never really understood the point of comments like this. So, there are conditions where cycling isn't feasible. Sure. Does that mean people in general couldn't use bicycles more? No, of course not. Did GP suggest that everyone that lives within 5km of work must bike every day. No, not that either. For every solution it's easy to find a situation where that solution doesn't apply. So what? That doesn't mean the solution is worthless. Last I checked, the Alps didn't cover all of Germany - did they move recently?
  - ceving 3y ago
    "Alps" was a pars pro toto. See here for a complete list of mountains: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_mountain_and_hill_ranges_in_Germany https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_mountain_and_hill_rang... And this are the raining days: https://de.statista.com/statistik/daten/studie/1892/umfrage/staedte-in-deutschland-mit-den-meisten-regentagen/ https://de.statista.com/statistik/daten/studie/1892/umfrage/... It is raining more than half of a year in many cities.
    - scbrg 3y ago
      Fair enough, and thanks for teaching me the term "pars pro toto". Today I was one of the lucky 10k :)
      - wizofaus 3y ago
        "Synecdoche" is probably the more common term.
  - Aachen 3y ago
    > I've never really understood the point of comments like this. As a Dutchman who doesn't enjoy cycling, especially alone (for function rather than leisure), I do see their point. It's just not an alternative for me. I'll put up with it if it's <1km of flat land with safe infrastructure, but beyond that I'm opening up a public transport planner. Also in NL, most trips are >1km and/or carry more freight than fits in a backpack or on the rack (?bagagedrager) (could take the bike in hand and hang your bags from the handlebars, though). I'm happy to pay a bit extra for Climeworks to take the CO2 out of the air again that was added while building the wind turbine for my electricity-powered method of transportation. But to each their own. Cycling is also healthy, especially if we'd no longer be surrounded by combustion transportation. I'm all for bicycle infrastructure and promotion.
Gwypaas 3y ago
> transportation which uses up 27.1% of energy in German There is a difference between primary energy and usable energy. An ICE car is 20-30% efficient while BEVs are +90%. Electrifying all transports will vastly lower the primary energy use.

by TomK32 3y ago

2-718-281-828 3y ago

> Heating is one thing we have tackle we have _to_ tackle or we have tackle_d_? duh ... -- i am german and i find sloppy use of language annoying especially if it invites orthogonal interpretation. people should reread what they write publicly and then fix it if necessary.

JanSt 3y ago
eagerly waiting for you to respond in German
- ben_w 3y ago
  "Englische Sprache, schwere Sprache." (There's a saying which surprised me when I moved here: https://lal.de/blog/deutsche-sprache-schwere-sprache/ https://lal.de/blog/deutsche-sprache-schwere-sprache/)
- deleted 3y ago
  [deleted]
techperson20007 3y ago
Are you seriously shaming a non-native speaker for their English right now? smh…

jskrablin 3y ago

Yeah, targeting individual transport with inefficient public transport and bicycles while restarting abandoned coal power plants and abandoning running nuclear power plants is going to work wonderfully indeed.

sofixa 3y ago
> inefficient public transpor What do you mean inefficient? Multiple things can be done at the same time on the country scale. Improve bike infrastructure and public transit, encourage EVs for those that have to drive, decarbonise energy generation, electrify heating and industry, etc.
Moldoteck 3y ago
public transport can be efficient if done correctly and funded accordingly (Japan, Switzerland)
- fxtentacle 3y ago
  I'd like to add Singapore because they buy their excellent MRT trains from Germany.
  - Moldoteck 3y ago
    maybe, I was just in Switzerland and people said that Japan is even better in terms of transit. If Singapore has reliable prioritized public transport, then yep, it's cool. What shocked me the most is that in Swiss, all tickets for any transport can be bought in a single app, and if you don't want extra hassle, you don't even need to buy it, just press a button and the app will calculate by gps what you need to pay. This + super precise arrival times...
  - ulfw 3y ago
    Not one single kind of rolling stock in Singapore's MRT is made in Germany. Why do you just claim random things like that as if it were true? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Singapore_MRT_and_LRT_rolling_stock https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Singapore_MRT_and_LRT_...

ulfw 3y ago

This is why so many are fed up with Germany and especially Germany's current government. You know, maybe people don't want to bike in a country where it's too hot in the summer, too icey/cold/snowy in the winter and where it rains constantly in the other two seasons? This whole attitude of "I tell you how to live your life because reasons" is preposterous.

maigret 3y ago
Biking all year is perfectly possible in most of Germany. There are enough good clothes to counter bad weather, snow and especially ice keeps getting rarer. Biking adoption depends most of the infrastructure and also whether your peers do it too. It has also many positive health side effects.
adrianN 3y ago
So? Take the bike when the weather is nice and the car when it's not nice. That still reduces the kilometers you drive by a lot. Nobody forces you to bike when it's 40°C or -20.
Aachen 3y ago
People aren't telling you how to live, they're saying that certain current practices are inefficient in a way that causes harm. An extreme comparison would be a murderer-for-hire telling the judge "don't tell me how to live my life, this is a free country!" but that's kinda what that sounds like. You're free to do what you want, yeah... until it harms others. Individual transportation will always remain an option, but it might be prohibitively expensive for most people to be their main mode of transport when one has to refund the environmental damage it adds. As for cycling specifically, you and me both as I said here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36601619 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36601619 We agree there, but it's not going to be compulsory to cycle...

ceving 3y ago

I would like to see you cycling 5 km in the Alps against the wind in the rain. Cycling is fine. I do it 7 km to the work. But only because it is flat. And only when the weather is fine.

scbrg 3y ago
I've never really understood the point of comments like this. So, there are conditions where cycling isn't feasible. Sure. Does that mean people in general couldn't use bicycles more? No, of course not. Did GP suggest that everyone that lives within 5km of work must bike every day. No, not that either. For every solution it's easy to find a situation where that solution doesn't apply. So what? That doesn't mean the solution is worthless. Last I checked, the Alps didn't cover all of Germany - did they move recently?
- ceving 3y ago
  "Alps" was a pars pro toto. See here for a complete list of mountains: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_mountain_and_hill_ranges_in_Germany https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_mountain_and_hill_rang... And this are the raining days: https://de.statista.com/statistik/daten/studie/1892/umfrage/staedte-in-deutschland-mit-den-meisten-regentagen/ https://de.statista.com/statistik/daten/studie/1892/umfrage/... It is raining more than half of a year in many cities.
  - scbrg 3y ago
    Fair enough, and thanks for teaching me the term "pars pro toto". Today I was one of the lucky 10k :)
    - wizofaus 3y ago
      "Synecdoche" is probably the more common term.
- Aachen 3y ago
  > I've never really understood the point of comments like this. As a Dutchman who doesn't enjoy cycling, especially alone (for function rather than leisure), I do see their point. It's just not an alternative for me. I'll put up with it if it's <1km of flat land with safe infrastructure, but beyond that I'm opening up a public transport planner. Also in NL, most trips are >1km and/or carry more freight than fits in a backpack or on the rack (?bagagedrager) (could take the bike in hand and hang your bags from the handlebars, though). I'm happy to pay a bit extra for Climeworks to take the CO2 out of the air again that was added while building the wind turbine for my electricity-powered method of transportation. But to each their own. Cycling is also healthy, especially if we'd no longer be surrounded by combustion transportation. I'm all for bicycle infrastructure and promotion.

Gwypaas 3y ago

> transportation which uses up 27.1% of energy in German There is a difference between primary energy and usable energy. An ICE car is 20-30% efficient while BEVs are +90%. Electrifying all transports will vastly lower the primary energy use.