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> Just look at anyone below age 25 The bulk of people below 25 live in the Global South. A majority of them live in countries experiencing strong economic grow

by unmole 3y ago

> Just look at anyone below age 25 The bulk of people below 25 live in the Global South. A majority of them live in countries experiencing strong economic growth, albeit from a low base. This kind of doomerism is exclusive to rich countries and is little more than whingeing.

sph 3y ago
I reckon patting ourselves in the back because we have helped the Global South out of poverty is a very privileged Western point-of-view. The large charity foundations billionaires give the money to are doing undeniably good work, but it is a massive circlejerk for rich people to imagine that thanks to their generosity they're now all singing Kumbaya. How's the deforestation of the Amazon going? At least now the indigenous tribes can drink Coca-Cola now instead of plain water. Isn't globalisation just great?
- resolutebat 3y ago
  Western charity had fuck all to do with the countries that have successfully pulled themselves out of poverty. They built themselves up through exports and incredibly hard work until they became rich enough to start consuming themselves.
  - sph 3y ago
    I never meant to say Western charities were the only actors in this growth. The opposite in fact. I'm just saying it is commonplace in the Western world to pat ourselves in the back because we've donated $100 to Médecins Sans Frontières and believe we've made the world a better place. We certainly did, but it's just a drop in the ocean.
    - unmole 3y ago
      I don't understand how this is relevant. You made a broad generalisation about how people under 25 are supposedly dommed. When the flaw in your argument is pointed out, you go into a tangent about Westerners patting themselves on the back?
- unmole 3y ago
  I live in the Global South. My perspective is from someone who has witnessed a dramatic improvement in the quality of life of my compatriots. The economic growth that my country has experienced in past few decades is down to abandonment of retarded socialist policies and adoption of globalisation. The fact that you think Western charity has anything to with it suggests profound ignorance. > How's the deforestation of the Amazon going? The people of Brazil have every right to make use of the resources of their country. If they want land for their livestock or want to harvest timber, more power to them! Remind me: What happened to the forests in Europe or the bison in America? > Isn't globalisation just great? It absolutely is! More globalisation, more growth and less whinging from privileged Western doomers.
  - sph 3y ago
    > The people of Brazil have every right to make use of the resources of their country. It's not the people of Brazil that are benefiting of the resources of the Amazon rainforest. Even worse is believing that the destruction of the rainforest is the catalyst for Brazil's growth. Also: > This kind of doomerism is exclusive to rich countries and is little more than whingeing. When one can finally afford bread, they still are too busy to see how fucked up our global economic divide is. Give a starving man a crumb of bread while you have stashed food for years, and they'll weep with gratitude. It's all a matter of perspective. Sometimes you need a vantage point to notice how unfair everything is.
    - unmole 3y ago
      > It's not the people of Brazil that are benefiting of the resources of the Amazon rainforest. Brazilian farmers would beg to disagree. > Even worse is believing that the destruction of the rainforest is the catalyst for Brazil's growth. You're attacking a strawman. I made no such claim. Although Brazil experienced significant growth during the China fueled commodity supercycle. That was possible thanks to... checks notes ... globalisation! > When one can finally afford bread, they still are too busy to see how fucked up our global economic divide is. Globalisation and free trade have lifted hundereds out of poverty and reduced economic inequality globally. > Sometimes you need a vantage point to notice how unfair everything is. Thankfully we have Whinging Saviors to tell us all about how everything is fucked despite things being significantly better than in the past: What do you mean you can find a high paying job and afford to have a good standard of living? It is utter lunacy for you believe in the system! You're too poor to know!

by unmole 3y ago

sph 3y ago

I reckon patting ourselves in the back because we have helped the Global South out of poverty is a very privileged Western point-of-view. The large charity foundations billionaires give the money to are doing undeniably good work, but it is a massive circlejerk for rich people to imagine that thanks to their generosity they're now all singing Kumbaya. How's the deforestation of the Amazon going? At least now the indigenous tribes can drink Coca-Cola now instead of plain water. Isn't globalisation just great?

resolutebat 3y ago
Western charity had fuck all to do with the countries that have successfully pulled themselves out of poverty. They built themselves up through exports and incredibly hard work until they became rich enough to start consuming themselves.
- sph 3y ago
  I never meant to say Western charities were the only actors in this growth. The opposite in fact. I'm just saying it is commonplace in the Western world to pat ourselves in the back because we've donated $100 to Médecins Sans Frontières and believe we've made the world a better place. We certainly did, but it's just a drop in the ocean.
  - unmole 3y ago
    I don't understand how this is relevant. You made a broad generalisation about how people under 25 are supposedly dommed. When the flaw in your argument is pointed out, you go into a tangent about Westerners patting themselves on the back?
unmole 3y ago
I live in the Global South. My perspective is from someone who has witnessed a dramatic improvement in the quality of life of my compatriots. The economic growth that my country has experienced in past few decades is down to abandonment of retarded socialist policies and adoption of globalisation. The fact that you think Western charity has anything to with it suggests profound ignorance. > How's the deforestation of the Amazon going? The people of Brazil have every right to make use of the resources of their country. If they want land for their livestock or want to harvest timber, more power to them! Remind me: What happened to the forests in Europe or the bison in America? > Isn't globalisation just great? It absolutely is! More globalisation, more growth and less whinging from privileged Western doomers.
- sph 3y ago
  > The people of Brazil have every right to make use of the resources of their country. It's not the people of Brazil that are benefiting of the resources of the Amazon rainforest. Even worse is believing that the destruction of the rainforest is the catalyst for Brazil's growth. Also: > This kind of doomerism is exclusive to rich countries and is little more than whingeing. When one can finally afford bread, they still are too busy to see how fucked up our global economic divide is. Give a starving man a crumb of bread while you have stashed food for years, and they'll weep with gratitude. It's all a matter of perspective. Sometimes you need a vantage point to notice how unfair everything is.
  - unmole 3y ago
    > It's not the people of Brazil that are benefiting of the resources of the Amazon rainforest. Brazilian farmers would beg to disagree. > Even worse is believing that the destruction of the rainforest is the catalyst for Brazil's growth. You're attacking a strawman. I made no such claim. Although Brazil experienced significant growth during the China fueled commodity supercycle. That was possible thanks to... checks notes ... globalisation! > When one can finally afford bread, they still are too busy to see how fucked up our global economic divide is. Globalisation and free trade have lifted hundereds out of poverty and reduced economic inequality globally. > Sometimes you need a vantage point to notice how unfair everything is. Thankfully we have Whinging Saviors to tell us all about how everything is fucked despite things being significantly better than in the past: What do you mean you can find a high paying job and afford to have a good standard of living? It is utter lunacy for you believe in the system! You're too poor to know!