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Do you have a source for that?

littlecranky67 3y ago
https://www.reuters.com/business/energy/germany-extends-run-times-coal-fired-power-plants-boost-supply-2022-09-28/ https://www.reuters.com/business/energy/germany-extends-run-...
ejb999 3y ago
https://www.cnn.com/2023/04/15/europe/germany-nuclear-phase-out-climate-intl/index.html https://www.cnn.com/2023/04/15/europe/germany-nuclear-phase-...
ChuckNorris89 3y ago
A source for a piece of popular news that was covered by every single media out there and is only a quick google search away? https://www.google.com/search?q=germnay+nuclear+lignite https://www.google.com/search?q=germnay+nuclear+lignite I swear, sometimes HN users can be so pedantic, they'll demand source that the earth is round or that the water is wet. I used to be afraid that ChatGPT would make our jobs redundant, but seeing how people can't find basic info by themselves and need to ask humans to spoon feed them, I think I can breathe easily that our jobs are safe.
- sgbeal 3y ago
  > I swear, sometimes HN users can be so pedantic, they'll ask for the source that the earth is round or that the water is wet. Without a citation, any statement of ostensible fact is just unfounded rumor.
  - ChuckNorris89 3y ago
    The poster can't know what is ostensible to you and what isn't, and nor does everyone here have the time to post sources for absolutely every single statement they make as if they're writing a university research paper. As a reader, if you're unsure of something, use common sense and in the age of powerful internet search engines and LLM chat bots at your fingertips, it's up to you to quickly check for yourself, and only ask the poster for sources when you were unable to find the corect information by yourself, otherwise it's a waste of everyone's time.
  - shakow 3y ago
    Source?
    - sgbeal 3y ago
      Touché!
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Glawen 3y ago
Why does OP need to provide a source? Why you don't look for the info yourself? It is common knowledge in Europe that Germany shut down its nuclear plant (15/04/23 the last one), and they compensated with a lot of coal this winter.
- PurpleRamen 3y ago
  Just that those things have no relation to each other. Coal is used to replace gas, not nuclear plants. And AFAIK in mid of April there is no winter any more anyway. The question is valid, as there is a huge amount of misinformation going around those topics.
  - ffgjgf1 3y ago
    > have no relation to each other. How? Surely you wouldn’t need to burn as much coal if nuclear plants were still running?
    - PurpleRamen 3y ago
      Nuclear plants in Germany only deliver electricity, and only where the grid is connected. But coal is used also used for heat and chemical processes, and outside the grid. No source of electricity can cover that yet in a short timeframe. And even if we are just talking about electricity in grid-connected locations, with the high cost of nuclear plants, it makes more sense to just buy it from others, and wait until new renewables sources were added to the grid, and long term build other replacements for heat and the chemical processes.
      - ffgjgf1 3y ago
        isn’t coal more expensive if you take all the negative externalities into account? Specifically increased rates of cancer and other diseases caused by pollution on top of CO2 emission?
        PurpleRamen 3y ago
sparkling 3y ago
https://www.reuters.com/markets/commodities/energy-crisis-fuels-coal-comeback-germany-2022-12-16/ https://www.reuters.com/markets/commodities/energy-crisis-fu... ... or, if you prefer that, straight from the German government statistical office itself: https://www.destatis.de/DE/Themen/Branchen-Unternehmen/Energie/Erzeugung/_inhalt.html#sprg260602 https://www.destatis.de/DE/Themen/Branchen-Unternehmen/Energ...
- locallost 3y ago
  That was December last year, the last plants were closed this year, the comeback of coal was minimal an mostly caused by the need of France to import electricity, since their nuclear plants failed.
  - shakow 3y ago
    > the comeback of coal was minimal As the moment of writing, Germany is producing 12% of its electricity with coal. https://app.electricitymaps.com/zone/DE https://app.electricitymaps.com/zone/DE

https://www.reuters.com/business/energy/germany-extends-run-times-coal-fired-power-plants-boost-supply-2022-09-28/ https://www.reuters.com/business/energy/germany-extends-run-...

ejb999 3y ago

https://www.cnn.com/2023/04/15/europe/germany-nuclear-phase-out-climate-intl/index.html https://www.cnn.com/2023/04/15/europe/germany-nuclear-phase-...

ChuckNorris89 3y ago

A source for a piece of popular news that was covered by every single media out there and is only a quick google search away? https://www.google.com/search?q=germnay+nuclear+lignite https://www.google.com/search?q=germnay+nuclear+lignite I swear, sometimes HN users can be so pedantic, they'll demand source that the earth is round or that the water is wet. I used to be afraid that ChatGPT would make our jobs redundant, but seeing how people can't find basic info by themselves and need to ask humans to spoon feed them, I think I can breathe easily that our jobs are safe.

sgbeal 3y ago
> I swear, sometimes HN users can be so pedantic, they'll ask for the source that the earth is round or that the water is wet. Without a citation, any statement of ostensible fact is just unfounded rumor.
- ChuckNorris89 3y ago
  The poster can't know what is ostensible to you and what isn't, and nor does everyone here have the time to post sources for absolutely every single statement they make as if they're writing a university research paper. As a reader, if you're unsure of something, use common sense and in the age of powerful internet search engines and LLM chat bots at your fingertips, it's up to you to quickly check for yourself, and only ask the poster for sources when you were unable to find the corect information by yourself, otherwise it's a waste of everyone's time.
- shakow 3y ago
  Source?
  - sgbeal 3y ago
    Touché!

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Glawen 3y ago

Why does OP need to provide a source? Why you don't look for the info yourself? It is common knowledge in Europe that Germany shut down its nuclear plant (15/04/23 the last one), and they compensated with a lot of coal this winter.

PurpleRamen 3y ago
Just that those things have no relation to each other. Coal is used to replace gas, not nuclear plants. And AFAIK in mid of April there is no winter any more anyway. The question is valid, as there is a huge amount of misinformation going around those topics.
- ffgjgf1 3y ago
  > have no relation to each other. How? Surely you wouldn’t need to burn as much coal if nuclear plants were still running?
  - PurpleRamen 3y ago
    Nuclear plants in Germany only deliver electricity, and only where the grid is connected. But coal is used also used for heat and chemical processes, and outside the grid. No source of electricity can cover that yet in a short timeframe. And even if we are just talking about electricity in grid-connected locations, with the high cost of nuclear plants, it makes more sense to just buy it from others, and wait until new renewables sources were added to the grid, and long term build other replacements for heat and the chemical processes.
    - ffgjgf1 3y ago
      isn’t coal more expensive if you take all the negative externalities into account? Specifically increased rates of cancer and other diseases caused by pollution on top of CO2 emission?
      - PurpleRamen 3y ago

sparkling 3y ago

https://www.reuters.com/markets/commodities/energy-crisis-fuels-coal-comeback-germany-2022-12-16/ https://www.reuters.com/markets/commodities/energy-crisis-fu... ... or, if you prefer that, straight from the German government statistical office itself: https://www.destatis.de/DE/Themen/Branchen-Unternehmen/Energie/Erzeugung/_inhalt.html#sprg260602 https://www.destatis.de/DE/Themen/Branchen-Unternehmen/Energ...

locallost 3y ago
That was December last year, the last plants were closed this year, the comeback of coal was minimal an mostly caused by the need of France to import electricity, since their nuclear plants failed.
- shakow 3y ago
  > the comeback of coal was minimal As the moment of writing, Germany is producing 12% of its electricity with coal. https://app.electricitymaps.com/zone/DE https://app.electricitymaps.com/zone/DE