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I read the article in disbelief. It sounds more like a dumb-and-dumber situation than a real situation in a cockpit with decently competent pilots, especially t

I read the article in disbelief. It sounds more like a dumb-and-dumber situation than a real situation in a cockpit with decently competent pilots, especially the captain is depicted as totally incompetent, from the initial radio communication to the rest of the adventure. It sounds like the kind of pilot than can barely fly in regular conditions and the co-pilot that is part time doing the job and not too well. I am not a commercial pilot, just GA pilot for 10 years. I know many cases of incompetence in GA, but never in commercial aviation, this is not how trained pilots should fly a 737 and I have no idea how they got the permission to do it.

nottorp 3y ago
> is depicted Based on this article the keyword is "is depicted". It starts with an ad hominem attack on the captain. And I didn't even see many mentions or quotes from the actual accident report. I did stop half way because it's simply too long for how much I care about the subject. I won't research it further either so I'll just end up with the pushing an agenda impression.
prmph 3y ago
I don't think the captain was that incompetent; I was surprised after reading the article , how there was little in it to support the veiled attacks on the captain it started off with. > I know many cases of incompetence in GA, but never in commercial aviation You mean you have never heard of commercial aviation pilots making mistakes? This can't be right.
- AdrianB1 3y ago
  NTSB conclusion released a few days ago practically calls the crew incompetent (with nice words: "crew's ineffective crew resource management, high workload and stress").
- AdrianB1 3y ago
  I heard about commercial pilots making mistakes, but not to be plain incompetent. Reading the article, even the transcription of the radio conversation is one example - I don't need the author of the article explain what is wrong there, I know it myself (2 weeks ago I had to renew my radio operator license, so I just had the refresher course). I don't even have too high standards for pilots, it is a basic expectations the airlines to hire and maintain competent pilots that will not crash planes on their first incident. This is because most of the plane accidents I know personally are either pilot error or technical problems that could be avoided or mitigated by any decent pilot.
  - prmph 3y ago
    I'm not sure what your point is here. The pilots of Air France 447 crashed a perfectly flyable plane into the ocean because they failed to apply one of the most basic principles of flight: raising the nose can cause a stall as the aircraft loses speed, whereas bringing down the nose allows you to pick up speed and pull out of a stall. One pilot kept pulling back on the yoke for several minutes until they crashed. Would you say they just made mistakes, or were just plain incompetent?

nottorp 3y ago

> is depicted Based on this article the keyword is "is depicted". It starts with an ad hominem attack on the captain. And I didn't even see many mentions or quotes from the actual accident report. I did stop half way because it's simply too long for how much I care about the subject. I won't research it further either so I'll just end up with the pushing an agenda impression.

prmph 3y ago

I don't think the captain was that incompetent; I was surprised after reading the article , how there was little in it to support the veiled attacks on the captain it started off with. > I know many cases of incompetence in GA, but never in commercial aviation You mean you have never heard of commercial aviation pilots making mistakes? This can't be right.

AdrianB1 3y ago
NTSB conclusion released a few days ago practically calls the crew incompetent (with nice words: "crew's ineffective crew resource management, high workload and stress").
AdrianB1 3y ago
I heard about commercial pilots making mistakes, but not to be plain incompetent. Reading the article, even the transcription of the radio conversation is one example - I don't need the author of the article explain what is wrong there, I know it myself (2 weeks ago I had to renew my radio operator license, so I just had the refresher course). I don't even have too high standards for pilots, it is a basic expectations the airlines to hire and maintain competent pilots that will not crash planes on their first incident. This is because most of the plane accidents I know personally are either pilot error or technical problems that could be avoided or mitigated by any decent pilot.
- prmph 3y ago
  I'm not sure what your point is here. The pilots of Air France 447 crashed a perfectly flyable plane into the ocean because they failed to apply one of the most basic principles of flight: raising the nose can cause a stall as the aircraft loses speed, whereas bringing down the nose allows you to pick up speed and pull out of a stall. One pilot kept pulling back on the yoke for several minutes until they crashed. Would you say they just made mistakes, or were just plain incompetent?