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How is trust in the scientific community not belief? If you aren't checking their claims directly, then it's just that you believe them and others don't. BTW i

How is trust in the scientific community not belief? If you aren't checking their claims directly, then it's just that you believe them and others don't. BTW it's not really trust in the scientific community. There are lots of scientists calling foul on this kind of story. What happens is, we get told they're the wrong kind of scientists, or "fringe" or whatever. It's social signalling all the way down and the message is Follow The Science.

mr_mitm 3y ago
> There are lots of scientists calling foul on this kind of story. Could you please list some of them along with their field of expertise?
- revelio 3y ago
  Within climatology people like Roy Spencer or Judith Curry. Outside, there's stuff like these papers I posted a couple of days ago. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36559554 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36559554 Note the response - yes they may be nuclear physicists or hydrologists but they can't possibly comment on climate, they're the wrong sort of scientists. Also they even say they have a good understanding of science and then define science as "what 99% of experts believe" which is just hilariously medieval. These are just examples. I can't be bothered trying to draw up huge lists. Other people have done that, it doesn't matter, the crisis true believers just use a circular definition of expert in which if you disagree the world is doomed you can't be an expert, therefore, are not worth listening to.
  - secretsatan 3y ago
    Yeah, typically I don't trust Neurologists with brain surgery, I prefer to go to a Podiatrist but people tell me they're the wrong sort of doctor.
    - wampwamp 3y ago
      Yeah, but you would probably listen to a Neurologist about your lack of a foot problem if 99 out of 100 podiatrists told you 20 years ago that your perfectly healthy foot would fall off in 10 years if you didn't stop driving your car or you didn't pay them the money every day for the rest of your life.
    - revelio 3y ago
      It's more like how you have to be careful with psychotherapists because they may try to sell you therapy you don't really need, and maybe your mate who's a surgeon points that out to you. But thanks for illustrating my point so perfectly. All the people who think they're most rational on this topic are actually the least rational. Relying purely on mental shortcuts and social cues works right up until someone figures out how they can game you for profit, which is what's happening here (cry crisis = funding, grants, status, fame).

mr_mitm 3y ago

> There are lots of scientists calling foul on this kind of story. Could you please list some of them along with their field of expertise?

revelio 3y ago
Within climatology people like Roy Spencer or Judith Curry. Outside, there's stuff like these papers I posted a couple of days ago. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36559554 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36559554 Note the response - yes they may be nuclear physicists or hydrologists but they can't possibly comment on climate, they're the wrong sort of scientists. Also they even say they have a good understanding of science and then define science as "what 99% of experts believe" which is just hilariously medieval. These are just examples. I can't be bothered trying to draw up huge lists. Other people have done that, it doesn't matter, the crisis true believers just use a circular definition of expert in which if you disagree the world is doomed you can't be an expert, therefore, are not worth listening to.
- secretsatan 3y ago
  Yeah, typically I don't trust Neurologists with brain surgery, I prefer to go to a Podiatrist but people tell me they're the wrong sort of doctor.
  - wampwamp 3y ago
    Yeah, but you would probably listen to a Neurologist about your lack of a foot problem if 99 out of 100 podiatrists told you 20 years ago that your perfectly healthy foot would fall off in 10 years if you didn't stop driving your car or you didn't pay them the money every day for the rest of your life.
  - revelio 3y ago
    It's more like how you have to be careful with psychotherapists because they may try to sell you therapy you don't really need, and maybe your mate who's a surgeon points that out to you. But thanks for illustrating my point so perfectly. All the people who think they're most rational on this topic are actually the least rational. Relying purely on mental shortcuts and social cues works right up until someone figures out how they can game you for profit, which is what's happening here (cry crisis = funding, grants, status, fame).