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I think it's inevitable that at some point some legislation like the OSB will pass in most western countries. It's going to be no different at all from the cur

I think it's inevitable that at some point some legislation like the OSB will pass in most western countries. It's going to be no different at all from the current situation.

PrimeMcFly 3y ago
> It's going to be no different at all from the current situation. That's not true at all. If OSB is passed, things will be quite different in the UK afterward.
- blitzar 3y ago
  The snoopers charter already exists, ISPs already have to report your web browsing to the Government database. For everything else there are foreign agencies who are not limited by uk legislation.
  - PrimeMcFly 3y ago
    The issue is that they can't defeat encryption currently, and wish to. Encryption can hide web browsing and a lot more, which they don't like.
miohtama 3y ago
What would happen in the ideal world: - All online messenger providers (Whatsapp, Signal, Telegram) e.g. withdraw from the UK market. Meta and Google gave a taste for this after Canadian link law. - UK needs to come up with a crappy homebrew messenger ecosystem no one uses. Maybe a messenger.gov.uk? - People download applications with privacy and sideload them to their mobile phones, keep going with their business as usual - The number of childs protected or caught pedophiles stays unchanged - UK parliament members who proposed the bill will look like idiots, not getting re-elected - The "compliance" companies who promoted these solutions, as it's driven by commercial interest that guides the political discussion, go bankcrupt However I remain doubtful if we have this ideal scenario.
- blitzar 3y ago
  - UK parliament members who proposed the bill will look like idiots, but get re-elected anyway Some things never change.
- b112 3y ago
  UK parliament members who proposed the bill will look like idiots, not getting re-elected No one will lose re-election over a technical or scientific issue such as this. 99.9% of the public can't understand the position, the discussion, and will only listen to what fluff websites, and the parties tell them. Now, is any party going to take up a "soft on pedophiles!" position? Because that's how it will be played...
  - blitzar 3y ago
    Haw haw the honourable member is AGAINST ONLINE SAFETY. Its a bit like trying to vote against the Patriot Act.
- sneak 3y ago
  Closing the sideloading hole on Android then becomes the next step. It's already a nonissue on the most popular device. Eventually the sale of devices that don't include cryptographic controls to prevent terrorists from misusing them to evade terrorist surveillance will be outlawed.
  - jkaplowitz 3y ago
    In the EU (which I know no longer includes the UK), both Apple and Google will have to allow sideloading in their operating systems by early 2024, because they* are expected to be designated as gatekeepers under the new Digital Markets Act no later than early September 2023, and after being designated they’ll have six months to comply. So the feature to sideload will continue to exist in Android and will be added to iOS, although they could choose to enable it only in the EU or to block it in the UK. *If you choose to fact-check this, be aware that technically the European Commission will be designating Alphabet, Google’s parent company, rather than one of the multiple subsidiaries with Google in its name. So the official EU communications about this may not mention the word Google.

I think it's inevitable that at some point some legislation like the OSB will pass in most western countries. It's going to be no different at all from the current situation.

PrimeMcFly 3y ago

> It's going to be no different at all from the current situation. That's not true at all. If OSB is passed, things will be quite different in the UK afterward.

blitzar 3y ago
The snoopers charter already exists, ISPs already have to report your web browsing to the Government database. For everything else there are foreign agencies who are not limited by uk legislation.
- PrimeMcFly 3y ago
  The issue is that they can't defeat encryption currently, and wish to. Encryption can hide web browsing and a lot more, which they don't like.

miohtama 3y ago

What would happen in the ideal world: - All online messenger providers (Whatsapp, Signal, Telegram) e.g. withdraw from the UK market. Meta and Google gave a taste for this after Canadian link law. - UK needs to come up with a crappy homebrew messenger ecosystem no one uses. Maybe a messenger.gov.uk? - People download applications with privacy and sideload them to their mobile phones, keep going with their business as usual - The number of childs protected or caught pedophiles stays unchanged - UK parliament members who proposed the bill will look like idiots, not getting re-elected - The "compliance" companies who promoted these solutions, as it's driven by commercial interest that guides the political discussion, go bankcrupt However I remain doubtful if we have this ideal scenario.

blitzar 3y ago
- UK parliament members who proposed the bill will look like idiots, but get re-elected anyway Some things never change.
b112 3y ago
UK parliament members who proposed the bill will look like idiots, not getting re-elected No one will lose re-election over a technical or scientific issue such as this. 99.9% of the public can't understand the position, the discussion, and will only listen to what fluff websites, and the parties tell them. Now, is any party going to take up a "soft on pedophiles!" position? Because that's how it will be played...
- blitzar 3y ago
  Haw haw the honourable member is AGAINST ONLINE SAFETY. Its a bit like trying to vote against the Patriot Act.
sneak 3y ago
Closing the sideloading hole on Android then becomes the next step. It's already a nonissue on the most popular device. Eventually the sale of devices that don't include cryptographic controls to prevent terrorists from misusing them to evade terrorist surveillance will be outlawed.
- jkaplowitz 3y ago
  In the EU (which I know no longer includes the UK), both Apple and Google will have to allow sideloading in their operating systems by early 2024, because they* are expected to be designated as gatekeepers under the new Digital Markets Act no later than early September 2023, and after being designated they’ll have six months to comply. So the feature to sideload will continue to exist in Android and will be added to iOS, although they could choose to enable it only in the EU or to block it in the UK. *If you choose to fact-check this, be aware that technically the European Commission will be designating Alphabet, Google’s parent company, rather than one of the multiple subsidiaries with Google in its name. So the official EU communications about this may not mention the word Google.