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> I would have fired this person as soon as humanly possible for basically (actually) telling customers of the company to go F themselves, and making horribly i

by bsder 3y ago

> I would have fired this person as soon as humanly possible for basically (actually) telling customers of the company to go F themselves, and making horribly insensitive and inappropriate jokes at their expense. OP does mention that they were with VMWare only by acquisition. Do I think that OP should have done this? No. Do I think they deserve to be fired over this? No. This is the standard chastise them for being an idiot and get back to work. The problem here was a high-ranking Federal bureaucrat (USAF Chief Software Officer) got his knickers in a twist and rattled VMWare management who should have told him to go pound sand. And, personally, even though I don't find the OP sympathetic, I'm glad this story came out as the bureaucrat in question should absolutely be named and shamed so other companies won't capitulate to him being a snot. Anybody with skin that thin shouldn't be allowed any amount of power, ever.

lelanthran 3y ago
> The problem here was a high-ranking Federal bureaucrat (USAF Chief Software Officer) got his knickers in a twist and rattled VMWare management who should have told him to go pound sand. How do you know that? Nothing in that article suggests there is even the smallest shred of evidence that the bureaucrat in question applied any pressure.
- Apocryphon 3y ago
  It's not court-admissible evidence, but there was the DM (https://staging.cohostcdn.org/attachment/c8ab3389-fd41-46b9-bf3d-5ffc81fbabfc/vmwarefederal.png https://staging.cohostcdn.org/attachment/c8ab3389-fd41-46b9-...) and those links at the end of the blog entry about prior misbehavior (https://www.oxebridge.com/emma/oxebridge-files-ethics-complaint-against-usaf-chief-software-officer/ https://www.oxebridge.com/emma/oxebridge-files-ethics-compla...) and (https://www.oxebridge.com/emma/op-ed-usafs-chaillan-knausenberger-must-resign-over-suspected-ethics-violations/ https://www.oxebridge.com/emma/op-ed-usafs-chaillan-knausenb...).
  - lelanthran 3y ago
    Your [1] is pure hearsay, no different from gossip, and it's coming from one side. It's unlikely to be true, and even if true, unlikely to have resulted in pressure on the employer. Both [2] and [3] aren't about this story at all.
    - Apocryphon 3y ago
      They are not mine, they are the article's. I have acknowledged they are not court-admissible evidence, I am simply establishing that the narrative is not without (claimed) basis. It is up to the reader to determine whether or not they have any merit.
npteljes 3y ago
> Do I think they deserve to be fired over this? No. I think we're taking their account of the events at face value. Maybe this event was just the last in a chain of similar events, and management were fed up already. Although, I also think that your kind of event description is just as likely. I'm sure it happens a lot, as I know it does in many political, business and interpersonal situations. And you know that being thin skinned won't ever lose them their power, just like that. A person has many reasons to get into power, it's not up to merit.

by bsder 3y ago

lelanthran 3y ago

> The problem here was a high-ranking Federal bureaucrat (USAF Chief Software Officer) got his knickers in a twist and rattled VMWare management who should have told him to go pound sand. How do you know that? Nothing in that article suggests there is even the smallest shred of evidence that the bureaucrat in question applied any pressure.

Apocryphon 3y ago
It's not court-admissible evidence, but there was the DM (https://staging.cohostcdn.org/attachment/c8ab3389-fd41-46b9-bf3d-5ffc81fbabfc/vmwarefederal.png https://staging.cohostcdn.org/attachment/c8ab3389-fd41-46b9-...) and those links at the end of the blog entry about prior misbehavior (https://www.oxebridge.com/emma/oxebridge-files-ethics-complaint-against-usaf-chief-software-officer/ https://www.oxebridge.com/emma/oxebridge-files-ethics-compla...) and (https://www.oxebridge.com/emma/op-ed-usafs-chaillan-knausenberger-must-resign-over-suspected-ethics-violations/ https://www.oxebridge.com/emma/op-ed-usafs-chaillan-knausenb...).
- lelanthran 3y ago
  Your [1] is pure hearsay, no different from gossip, and it's coming from one side. It's unlikely to be true, and even if true, unlikely to have resulted in pressure on the employer. Both [2] and [3] aren't about this story at all.
  - Apocryphon 3y ago
    They are not mine, they are the article's. I have acknowledged they are not court-admissible evidence, I am simply establishing that the narrative is not without (claimed) basis. It is up to the reader to determine whether or not they have any merit.

npteljes 3y ago

> Do I think they deserve to be fired over this? No. I think we're taking their account of the events at face value. Maybe this event was just the last in a chain of similar events, and management were fed up already. Although, I also think that your kind of event description is just as likely. I'm sure it happens a lot, as I know it does in many political, business and interpersonal situations. And you know that being thin skinned won't ever lose them their power, just like that. A person has many reasons to get into power, it's not up to merit.