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Twitter is the first social Network to publicly commit ritual suicide. It's somewhat fascinating to watch. Would be very interesting to see how much the login w
by choeger 3y ago
Twitter is the first social Network to publicly commit ritual suicide. It's somewhat fascinating to watch. Would be very interesting to see how much the login wall affected their traffic and thus ad revenues. But the real damage will be visible in Q4 when ads campaigns simply won't be booked anymore for Twitter because everyone begins to write it off.
- tropicalbeach 3y agoWhy Twitter is better now than before. I used to never use it and now i use it more than any other platform. Don't really get why people are hating so much. Finally there is somewhere where people can post without being banned or having posts removed. Why do you want filtered social media it's fake.
- HlessClaudesman 3y agoNice try Elon.
- tropicalbeach 3y agoGenuine question you like your social media filtered by someone who says what you're allowed to see?
- dale_glass 3y agoGenuine answer: Yes. If I wanted an unfiltered experience, there's 4chan and the like. Notice that I'm not there, but somewhere I don't have to wade through mountains of crap. HN is very much moderated, that's what keeps it useful.
- threeseed 3y agoThere have been a large number of accounts that have been censored by Twitter. Musk even admitted doing so at the behest of foreign governments something Twitter 1.0 used to aggressively fight and prevent from happening.
- spiderfarmer 3y agoDo you want to live in todays world but without laws and regulations?
- Joeri 3y agoTaking your question seriously, I would say mike masnick has the definitive answer: https://www.techdirt.com/2022/11/02/hey-elon-let-me-help-you-speed-run-the-content-moderation-learning-curve/ https://www.techdirt.com/2022/11/02/hey-elon-let-me-help-you... By the way, Twitter under Elon supposedly obeys more government censorship demands than before: https://cyber.harvard.edu/story/2023-04/twitter-complying-more-government-demands-under-elon-musk https://cyber.harvard.edu/story/2023-04/twitter-complying-mo... So if you believe twitter is now a free speech platform, it just means that you’re no longer the one being censored. That doesn’t mean no one is.
- dale_glass 3y agoPeople still get banned and get posts removed from the new Twitter all the time. Musk took no time at all to go back on his promises. > Why do you want filtered social media it's fake. There's no such thing as unfiltered social media. Every website is subject to laws, demands from the hosts, and business constraints. If you want ads, the advertisers want a say in what content you have.
- hagbarth 3y ago> Finally there is somewhere where people can post without being banned or having posts removed What you didn't know 4chan, 8chan/8kun, paler, truth social and a myriad of other "free speech fundamentalist" sites before?
- threatofrain 3y agoSomeone like PG gets his account disabled just for mentioning another social network. That's how far Twitter is going against the direction of free speech. This is coming from the guy who thinks it's fair play to accuse a rescue worker of pedophilia as retaliation for being insulted. Musk wanted to destroy that guy. He repeatedly accused him of pedophilia and clarified that he specifically meant sex with young Thai boys. He then paid for an investigation to dig up dirt.
- drcongo 3y agoCorrection: "the guy who thinks it's fair play to accuse a rescue worker of pedophilia as retaliation for feeling insulted"
- svet_0 3y agoPeople are hating because Elon == Bad. Twitter is pretty good these days, I see almost no spam and content quality has improved.
- flir 3y ago@elonjet But I'm sure you've got a post hoc justification for that.
- FrozenSynapse 3y agoReddit committed suicide, Twitter is actually not that bad.
- immibis 3y agoTwitter literally banned all of its users from using it.
- NovaDudely 3y agoReddit didn't committed suicide but completely gave up on its core focus. Like an Athlete that decided "Screw it, I want KFC for every meal!" and then dies from morbid obesity related stuff a decade later. Same thing but on a different time scale.
- tetrisgm 3y agoArguably, Tumblr did this by removing NSFW, and Onlyfans did this by pivoting to mainstream content
- bpye 3y agoTumblr maybe though they did it to support advertisers, Twitter is doing it seemingly at odds with them. Is OnlyFans really social media?
- spondylosaurus 3y agoTumblr was forced to remove NSFW content or risk getting kicked out of the iOS app store, iirc. Twitter's putting the gun to their own head for no damn reason at all.
- raverbashing 3y agoWhich, apart from legal requirements, was frankly stupid on the part of Tumblr Maybe they should have kept the puritan version US-only (don't worry, glorifying violence is still PG only)
- tetrisgm 3y agoYou can follow creators, they post content. It's a social creator platform. Is it the NSFW or the paywall aspect that's making you feel like it's not?
- samwillis 3y agoAs with almost any time "RIP [someone/something]" trends in Twitter, the death of Twitter is greatly exaggerated. (That's not to say I like the decisions that are being made)
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- Joeri 3y agoI still don’t understand what Elon is trying to do. If you had asked me before he bought it what twitter’s core problems were I would have said “poorly moderated toxicity”, “lack of conversational depth”, “high friction onboarding”, and “excessive operating cost”. Apparently Elon only agrees about the cost part, because on all those other dimensions twitter is now worse? In all his other businesses Elon started by offering a grand vision of where they were going: “electric cars for everyone”, “humans on mars”, “tunnels everywhere”, “direct mind machine interface”. It was often ridiculed, but the goal made sense. What is the vision for twitter? I still don’t know. Nothing he says makes any sense.
- zirgs 3y agoAlso - "dumb automated moderation that matches keywords and ignores context" and "non-existent appeal process".
- spiderfarmer 3y agoHe now (not at first) wants to turn it into and 'everything app', like Wechat. Impossible, I know.
- nightfly 3y agoMight have been possible before he sabotaged it
- jahnu 3y agoAn absolute mess is what it is. The most consistent he’s been has been his claim he wants to make the “everything app” “X”. But that’s all it has been so far. A claim. He seems to think he can do it backwards. Charge for it first and later add the value that people would want.
- zmk_ 3y agoPeople do pay for Tesla Autopilot though.
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- immibis 3y agoActually, it's the second. Elon is not following far from Andrew Lee's playbook with freenode.
- WJW 3y agoAnd of course Digg, Tumblr and onlyfans. That's just from the last few years, and just from the USA batch. I can think of several more local ones that you've never heard of. The graveyard of social networks that went under due to poor product decisions is huuuuuuge.
- swyx 3y agofirst? oh honey https://searchengineland.com/digg-v4-how-to-successfully-kill-a-community-50450 https://searchengineland.com/digg-v4-how-to-successfully-kil...
- taurath 3y agoMaybe we could say that advertising revenue is toxic to community spaces? If they really want to be the town square, well nobody wants a town square that’s primarily billboards and advertising. People who actually live in New York don’t go to Times Square, and there is functionally no actual community there. As an counterexample, Discord specifically is trying a subscription “free-to-play” model. I think this could work pretty well for future sites - a little more expression or some cosmetics to make you stand out, but still a very usable and unobtrusive service.
- x3sphere 3y agoToo many people worth following still are using Twitter. Until they leave and there isn’t a reason to go on the site then there won’t be any mass exodus. I doubt the forced login is having a huge impact so far. Maybe Meta’s alternative will have a bigger impact. It’s interesting, I’ve seen ton of my people I follow complain about Twitter yet they still keep posting. The site is only going to go under if people start if actually leaving.
- spiderfarmer 3y agoA lot of people I followed moved to Mastodon. It will be the death of a thousand cuts.
- NovaDudely 3y agoLike people posting on Reddit right up til the end and beyond. If you want to make a real statement, delete your account before it is forced. Rip the band aid off in one go!
- benjaminwootton 3y agoI was a supporter of what Elon was trying to do. I am against big tech censorship and felt that moving to a subscription model where they didn’t need to appease advertisers was a good step. I subscribed to support the model even though I barely use Twitter. I also think the staff cuts were the right call in principle. I believe that tech products are better when you have a small team of really good people and get out of their way. This paywall could be the thing that brings them down though. There must be millions of people per day being trained not to click on Twitter links. I myself have done this a few times on different devices and incognito windows and I’m a paying subscriber. They will also slowly be evicted from Google SERPs. Engagement on the platform for creators was already terrible, and this must accelerate people looking at other platforms. To do a paywall or forced login to reduce spam/bots/scraping is throwing the baby out with the bathwater unless it’s an existential risk.