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These days I find Gnome (with Dash to Dock) to be the best DE for me. Better than Windows, better than Mac, better than KDE. It feels like every other DE, incl

These days I find Gnome (with Dash to Dock) to be the best DE for me. Better than Windows, better than Mac, better than KDE. It feels like every other DE, including Windows and the plethora of Gnome 2 clones literally hates the very idea vertical task bars. It's like these people live in a parallel universe where most monitors aren't 16:9 or 16:10, thus wasting vertical space. Thanks but no thanks. Windows 95 supported that out of the gate but windows 11 doesn't. What a crazy world. I used to prefer XFCE for the longest time but it's just too old school and I get tired of configuring it on my laptops.

okasaki 3y ago
You can put XFCE and KDE panels on the left or right, resulting in a vertical task bar. This is a 10 second operation...
- beebeepka 3y ago
  I know I can but the vertical bars are not first class citizens was my point
  - FeepingCreature 3y ago
    What's missing in KDE? Far as I can tell, it works exactly as it did in Windows 95. Unlock taskbar, grab taskbar, move to side of the screen.
    - beebeepka 3y ago
      Did I not just confirm that KDE and XFCE have vertical taskbars? Of course they do. XFCE is just too old school for me. I have launch icons and launched items. Clumsy and it wasting space. Easy to screw things up while managing launchers UI items/placeholders. These problems are not vertical bar specific. KDE? I only speak for myself here - it is not missing anything but simplicity. Too much stuff to configure and I get lost, then frustrated. I think I liked it a bit more in the early 2000s.
      - goosedragons 3y ago
        So KDE which lets you do what you want out of the box (vertical taskbar) with one setting change is not good for vertical taskbars but GNOME that doesn't have that baked in at all and requires a 3rd party extension to that is a better choice? Oh and you'll still have the horizontal activity bar on GNOME too.
      - FeepingCreature 3y ago
        > KDE? I only speak for myself here - it is not missing anything but simplicity. Too much stuff to configure and I get lost, then frustrated. That's a fine reason to dislike KDE. I'm just saying, the process to configure a vertical tab bar specifically, is exactly as complicated, step for step, as it was in Windows 95. - Unlock tab bar - Drag tab bar to the edge - Lock tab bar I'm asking what's missing to make that a "first class" feature.
      - lproven 3y ago
        > I have launch icons and launched items. Then install Docklike Taskbar: https://docs.xfce.org/panel-plugins/xfce4-docklike-plugin/start https://docs.xfce.org/panel-plugins/xfce4-docklike-plugin/st... https://github.com/nsz32/docklike-plugin https://github.com/nsz32/docklike-plugin Formerly Dockbar-X, I believe. https://github.com/M7S/dockbarx https://github.com/M7S/dockbarx
foul 3y ago
If it wasn't old school this screams NsCDE or Windowmaker. But they are very old school.
JohnFen 3y ago
> It's like these people live in a parallel universe where most monitors aren't 16:9 or 16:10, thus wasting vertical space I don't know. I use widescreen monitors, and yet I hate vertical task bars and much prefer "wasting" the vertical space. But I agree -- the user should be able to have whatever arrangement they prefer.

okasaki 3y ago

You can put XFCE and KDE panels on the left or right, resulting in a vertical task bar. This is a 10 second operation...

beebeepka 3y ago
I know I can but the vertical bars are not first class citizens was my point
- FeepingCreature 3y ago
  What's missing in KDE? Far as I can tell, it works exactly as it did in Windows 95. Unlock taskbar, grab taskbar, move to side of the screen.
  - beebeepka 3y ago
    Did I not just confirm that KDE and XFCE have vertical taskbars? Of course they do. XFCE is just too old school for me. I have launch icons and launched items. Clumsy and it wasting space. Easy to screw things up while managing launchers UI items/placeholders. These problems are not vertical bar specific. KDE? I only speak for myself here - it is not missing anything but simplicity. Too much stuff to configure and I get lost, then frustrated. I think I liked it a bit more in the early 2000s.
    - goosedragons 3y ago
      So KDE which lets you do what you want out of the box (vertical taskbar) with one setting change is not good for vertical taskbars but GNOME that doesn't have that baked in at all and requires a 3rd party extension to that is a better choice? Oh and you'll still have the horizontal activity bar on GNOME too.
    - FeepingCreature 3y ago
      > KDE? I only speak for myself here - it is not missing anything but simplicity. Too much stuff to configure and I get lost, then frustrated. That's a fine reason to dislike KDE. I'm just saying, the process to configure a vertical tab bar specifically, is exactly as complicated, step for step, as it was in Windows 95. - Unlock tab bar - Drag tab bar to the edge - Lock tab bar I'm asking what's missing to make that a "first class" feature.
    - lproven 3y ago
      > I have launch icons and launched items. Then install Docklike Taskbar: https://docs.xfce.org/panel-plugins/xfce4-docklike-plugin/start https://docs.xfce.org/panel-plugins/xfce4-docklike-plugin/st... https://github.com/nsz32/docklike-plugin https://github.com/nsz32/docklike-plugin Formerly Dockbar-X, I believe. https://github.com/M7S/dockbarx https://github.com/M7S/dockbarx

foul 3y ago

If it wasn't old school this screams NsCDE or Windowmaker. But they are very old school.

JohnFen 3y ago

> It's like these people live in a parallel universe where most monitors aren't 16:9 or 16:10, thus wasting vertical space I don't know. I use widescreen monitors, and yet I hate vertical task bars and much prefer "wasting" the vertical space. But I agree -- the user should be able to have whatever arrangement they prefer.