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XFCE twitches its fingers and smirks. LXDE, which has always had trouble with sleep, muffles a yawn...

kstenerud 3y ago
And I'd use them in a heartbeat if it weren't for the 1px wide window borders with hard grab edges that make window manipulation a hassle. Fortunately, Mate doesn't have this problem.
- npteljes 3y ago
  I hated this too, until I discovered Start+Left Right click drag Moves / Resizes windows. Since then, the Windows way of hunting the edge is the more annoying one.
  - lproven 3y ago
    > Start+Left Right click drag I cannot parse this. What do you mean?
    - ragnese 3y ago
      You hold the Windows/Super key on your keyboard while clicking and dragging on the window with either the left or right mouse button. If you hold Super and left-click-drag, it moves the window around the screen as though you are clicking and dragging from the title bar (like most people would normally move a window around). If you hold Super and right-click-drag, it will resize the window depending on what quadrant of the window you initially clicked and which direction you're dragging. Similar to if you clicked and dragged the corresponding corner of the window. It's extremely nice to not have to aim for the precise edge of a window.
      - kstenerud 3y ago
        > It's extremely nice to not have to aim for the precise edge of a window. This is why all modern window managers don't require you to hit the precise edge, but rather have a "grace" zone around the edge that also activates moving/resizing. It's nice to be able to do these kinds of things one-handed.
        ragnese 3y ago
        >> It's extremely nice to not have to aim for the precise edge of a window. > It's nice to be able to do these kinds of things one-handed. Was that supposed to be snarky/mocking? It's the internet, so it's hard for me to tell sometimes. In any case, I do agree that those grace zones are nice, too. I'm fairly sure that Gnome Shell has them as well. I like to have both. I usually keep my hands on my keyboard's home row most of the time, so when I do reach for my mouse (I'm right-handed), my left hand is typically still sitting on a-s-d-f-space (or below space), so hitting Alt or Super (depending on the window manager and its settings, IIRC) with my thumb and dragging my mouse around is typically pretty comfortable and requires almost no precision whatsoever. Those grace zones are nice, but they obviously can't be huge, so you still have to do some aiming--especially on a laptop touchpad. Having the ability to enter into "resize and drag mode" via a modifier button where I can be super sloppy and know I can't "miss" just feels good to me; it feels like I don't have to change my concentration/focus at all.
superkuh 3y ago
Both of those use Gtk and Gtk is written by the Red Hat paid Gtk devs. Those devs have already removed the ability to paste a file path into a File->Open gtk dialog without it erroring out. The foundation under XFCE and LXDE and MATE has been and is still being eroded away. https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/gtk/-/issues/5872 https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/gtk/-/issues/5872 And there's nothing the DEs can do about the dumbing down and removal of features in Gtk.

And I'd use them in a heartbeat if it weren't for the 1px wide window borders with hard grab edges that make window manipulation a hassle. Fortunately, Mate doesn't have this problem.

npteljes 3y ago
I hated this too, until I discovered Start+Left Right click drag Moves / Resizes windows. Since then, the Windows way of hunting the edge is the more annoying one.
- lproven 3y ago
  > Start+Left Right click drag I cannot parse this. What do you mean?
  - ragnese 3y ago
    You hold the Windows/Super key on your keyboard while clicking and dragging on the window with either the left or right mouse button. If you hold Super and left-click-drag, it moves the window around the screen as though you are clicking and dragging from the title bar (like most people would normally move a window around). If you hold Super and right-click-drag, it will resize the window depending on what quadrant of the window you initially clicked and which direction you're dragging. Similar to if you clicked and dragged the corresponding corner of the window. It's extremely nice to not have to aim for the precise edge of a window.
    - kstenerud 3y ago
      > It's extremely nice to not have to aim for the precise edge of a window. This is why all modern window managers don't require you to hit the precise edge, but rather have a "grace" zone around the edge that also activates moving/resizing. It's nice to be able to do these kinds of things one-handed.
      - ragnese 3y ago
        >> It's extremely nice to not have to aim for the precise edge of a window. > It's nice to be able to do these kinds of things one-handed. Was that supposed to be snarky/mocking? It's the internet, so it's hard for me to tell sometimes. In any case, I do agree that those grace zones are nice, too. I'm fairly sure that Gnome Shell has them as well. I like to have both. I usually keep my hands on my keyboard's home row most of the time, so when I do reach for my mouse (I'm right-handed), my left hand is typically still sitting on a-s-d-f-space (or below space), so hitting Alt or Super (depending on the window manager and its settings, IIRC) with my thumb and dragging my mouse around is typically pretty comfortable and requires almost no precision whatsoever. Those grace zones are nice, but they obviously can't be huge, so you still have to do some aiming--especially on a laptop touchpad. Having the ability to enter into "resize and drag mode" via a modifier button where I can be super sloppy and know I can't "miss" just feels good to me; it feels like I don't have to change my concentration/focus at all.

superkuh 3y ago

Both of those use Gtk and Gtk is written by the Red Hat paid Gtk devs. Those devs have already removed the ability to paste a file path into a File->Open gtk dialog without it erroring out. The foundation under XFCE and LXDE and MATE has been and is still being eroded away. https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/gtk/-/issues/5872 https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/gtk/-/issues/5872 And there's nothing the DEs can do about the dumbing down and removal of features in Gtk.