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So you assume the worst because you apparently don't trust them. I assume the best because I believe they have an exceptional track record. I see what they sa

So you assume the worst because you apparently don't trust them. I assume the best because I believe they have an exceptional track record. I see what they say and assume the best intentions. You look at what they don't say and assume the worst. I guess at this point we'll just see how it shakes out.

Khaine 3y ago
After all the shit Mozilla has pulled why would you trust them?
- BaseballPhysics 3y ago
  Such as?
  - latexr 3y ago
    The Pocket integration and Mr Robot stunt come to mind as examples that infuriated Firefox users. https://venturebeat.com/mobile/mozilla-responds-to-firefox-user-backlash-over-pocket-integration/ https://venturebeat.com/mobile/mozilla-responds-to-firefox-u... https://www.theregister.com/2017/12/18/mozilla_mr_robot_firefox_promotion/ https://www.theregister.com/2017/12/18/mozilla_mr_robot_fire...
    - BaseballPhysics 3y ago
      Cool, so two examples, both more than five years old, one of which--the now eight-year-old Pocket integration--has in the long run been a complete non-event. (I'll grant you that Mr. Robot thing six years ago was pretty damn stupid, though) You'll forgive me if I don't find myself moved to outrage.
      - latexr 3y ago
        I’m not trying to “move you to outrage”. I’m not the person you asked nor a Firefox user, I have no stake on what you think about Mozilla. But you did ask what Mozilla has pulled that would get someone to distrust them. Perhaps you trust Mozilla to the end of the world, but for some people all it takes is one particularly bad incident to completely lose faith. You have your own threshold, other people have theirs.
        djur 3y ago
        If Mozilla has completely lost someone's faith, that person wouldn't be using Firefox, and this new functionality won't be a problem for them.
      - fwn 3y ago
        They also artificially shut down the apparently fully functional extension ecosystem on Android for no given reason, despite repeatedly stating that they would not do so. There still is one purposefully complicated workaround to use all store extensions, so we know it's about power, not compatibility. The crucial ability to use non-store extensions was entirely axed during that transition, also no reason given. This is how they were able to ice out anti paywall extensions recently. Mozilla management has a history of consistently steering Firefox towards being less and less of a user agent. This is why I think that if you trust Mozilla as a steward of the Firefox browser, you have not spent much time following their behavior.
  - CamperBob2 3y ago
    Reverting preferences such as browser.launcher.processEnabled every single time I install a new build, for example. Mozilla used to be all about respect for the user. Not so much these days.

Khaine 3y ago

After all the shit Mozilla has pulled why would you trust them?

BaseballPhysics 3y ago
Such as?
- latexr 3y ago
  The Pocket integration and Mr Robot stunt come to mind as examples that infuriated Firefox users. https://venturebeat.com/mobile/mozilla-responds-to-firefox-user-backlash-over-pocket-integration/ https://venturebeat.com/mobile/mozilla-responds-to-firefox-u... https://www.theregister.com/2017/12/18/mozilla_mr_robot_firefox_promotion/ https://www.theregister.com/2017/12/18/mozilla_mr_robot_fire...
  - BaseballPhysics 3y ago
    Cool, so two examples, both more than five years old, one of which--the now eight-year-old Pocket integration--has in the long run been a complete non-event. (I'll grant you that Mr. Robot thing six years ago was pretty damn stupid, though) You'll forgive me if I don't find myself moved to outrage.
    - latexr 3y ago
      I’m not trying to “move you to outrage”. I’m not the person you asked nor a Firefox user, I have no stake on what you think about Mozilla. But you did ask what Mozilla has pulled that would get someone to distrust them. Perhaps you trust Mozilla to the end of the world, but for some people all it takes is one particularly bad incident to completely lose faith. You have your own threshold, other people have theirs.
      - djur 3y ago
        If Mozilla has completely lost someone's faith, that person wouldn't be using Firefox, and this new functionality won't be a problem for them.
    - fwn 3y ago
      They also artificially shut down the apparently fully functional extension ecosystem on Android for no given reason, despite repeatedly stating that they would not do so. There still is one purposefully complicated workaround to use all store extensions, so we know it's about power, not compatibility. The crucial ability to use non-store extensions was entirely axed during that transition, also no reason given. This is how they were able to ice out anti paywall extensions recently. Mozilla management has a history of consistently steering Firefox towards being less and less of a user agent. This is why I think that if you trust Mozilla as a steward of the Firefox browser, you have not spent much time following their behavior.
- CamperBob2 3y ago
  Reverting preferences such as browser.launcher.processEnabled every single time I install a new build, for example. Mozilla used to be all about respect for the user. Not so much these days.