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They literally wrote a blog post about how they're going to use this feature. In what way have they not "specified their plans"? > I'm an extension developer m

They literally wrote a blog post about how they're going to use this feature. In what way have they not "specified their plans"? > I'm an extension developer myself. I'm not ok with a world where a tiny number of lucky extensions get whitelisted, while my extension and everyone else's extensions get silently, remotely disabled by Firefox Ah, now I see the real concern. Honestly, I'm not that sympathetic. Extensions have always been a potential security liability and anything that protects less savvy users when accessing online banking or other sensitive services is a good thing. Heavy extension use is the hallmark of a power user. Power users can configure Firefox to enable these extensions (Mozilla has specifically said they plan to deliver more user controls in 116), so I personally don't see the problem.

lapcat 3y ago
> They literally wrote a blog post about how they're going to use this feature. In what way have they not "specified their plans"? Which domains will be quarantined? And which extensions will be exempted? Everyone seems to be assuming "banking" with absolutely no evidence whatsoever. Mozilla hasn't said. There are countless banks in the world. Is Mozilla going to maintain a list of every banking web site? The fact is that nobody knows what the hell Mozilla is going to do with the quarantine list.
- BaseballPhysics 3y ago
  So you assume the worst because you apparently don't trust them. I assume the best because I believe they have an exceptional track record. I see what they say and assume the best intentions. You look at what they don't say and assume the worst. I guess at this point we'll just see how it shakes out.
  - Khaine 3y ago
    After all the shit Mozilla has pulled why would you trust them?
    - BaseballPhysics 3y ago
      Such as?
      - latexr 3y ago
        The Pocket integration and Mr Robot stunt come to mind as examples that infuriated Firefox users. https://venturebeat.com/mobile/mozilla-responds-to-firefox-user-backlash-over-pocket-integration/ https://venturebeat.com/mobile/mozilla-responds-to-firefox-u... https://www.theregister.com/2017/12/18/mozilla_mr_robot_firefox_promotion/ https://www.theregister.com/2017/12/18/mozilla_mr_robot_fire...
        BaseballPhysics 3y ago
        Cool, so two examples, both more than five years old, one of which--the now eight-year-old Pocket integration--has in the long run been a complete non-event. (I'll grant you that Mr. Robot thing six years ago was pretty damn stupid, though) You'll forgive me if I don't find myself moved to outrage.
        latexr 3y ago
        I’m not trying to “move you to outrage”. I’m not the person you asked nor a Firefox user, I have no stake on what you think about Mozilla. But you did ask what Mozilla has pulled that would get someone to distrust them. Perhaps you trust Mozilla to the end of the world, but for some people all it takes is one particularly bad incident to completely lose faith. You have your own threshold, other people have theirs.
        djur 3y ago
        If Mozilla has completely lost someone's faith, that person wouldn't be using Firefox, and this new functionality won't be a problem for them.
        fwn 3y ago
        They also artificially shut down the apparently fully functional extension ecosystem on Android for no given reason, despite repeatedly stating that they would not do so. There still is one purposefully complicated workaround to use all store extensions, so we know it's about power, not compatibility. The crucial ability to use non-store extensions was entirely axed during that transition, also no reason given. This is how they were able to ice out anti paywall extensions recently. Mozilla management has a history of consistently steering Firefox towards being less and less of a user agent. This is why I think that if you trust Mozilla as a steward of the Firefox browser, you have not spent much time following their behavior.

lapcat 3y ago

> They literally wrote a blog post about how they're going to use this feature. In what way have they not "specified their plans"? Which domains will be quarantined? And which extensions will be exempted? Everyone seems to be assuming "banking" with absolutely no evidence whatsoever. Mozilla hasn't said. There are countless banks in the world. Is Mozilla going to maintain a list of every banking web site? The fact is that nobody knows what the hell Mozilla is going to do with the quarantine list.

BaseballPhysics 3y ago
So you assume the worst because you apparently don't trust them. I assume the best because I believe they have an exceptional track record. I see what they say and assume the best intentions. You look at what they don't say and assume the worst. I guess at this point we'll just see how it shakes out.
- Khaine 3y ago
  After all the shit Mozilla has pulled why would you trust them?
  - BaseballPhysics 3y ago
    Such as?
    - latexr 3y ago
      The Pocket integration and Mr Robot stunt come to mind as examples that infuriated Firefox users. https://venturebeat.com/mobile/mozilla-responds-to-firefox-user-backlash-over-pocket-integration/ https://venturebeat.com/mobile/mozilla-responds-to-firefox-u... https://www.theregister.com/2017/12/18/mozilla_mr_robot_firefox_promotion/ https://www.theregister.com/2017/12/18/mozilla_mr_robot_fire...
      - BaseballPhysics 3y ago
        Cool, so two examples, both more than five years old, one of which--the now eight-year-old Pocket integration--has in the long run been a complete non-event. (I'll grant you that Mr. Robot thing six years ago was pretty damn stupid, though) You'll forgive me if I don't find myself moved to outrage.
        latexr 3y ago
        I’m not trying to “move you to outrage”. I’m not the person you asked nor a Firefox user, I have no stake on what you think about Mozilla. But you did ask what Mozilla has pulled that would get someone to distrust them. Perhaps you trust Mozilla to the end of the world, but for some people all it takes is one particularly bad incident to completely lose faith. You have your own threshold, other people have theirs.
        djur 3y ago
        If Mozilla has completely lost someone's faith, that person wouldn't be using Firefox, and this new functionality won't be a problem for them.
        fwn 3y ago
        They also artificially shut down the apparently fully functional extension ecosystem on Android for no given reason, despite repeatedly stating that they would not do so. There still is one purposefully complicated workaround to use all store extensions, so we know it's about power, not compatibility. The crucial ability to use non-store extensions was entirely axed during that transition, also no reason given. This is how they were able to ice out anti paywall extensions recently. Mozilla management has a history of consistently steering Firefox towards being less and less of a user agent. This is why I think that if you trust Mozilla as a steward of the Firefox browser, you have not spent much time following their behavior.