4 ms·

I just don't understand why they're so anti-ZFS. I want my data to survive, please...

rincebrain 3y ago
My impression is that some of the Linux kernel devs are anti-anything that's not GPL-compatible, of any sort, regardless of the particulars. Linus himself also made remarks about ZFS at one point that were pretty...hostile. [1] [2] > The fact is, the whole point of the GPL is that you're being "paid" in terms of tit-for-tat: we give source code to you for free, but we want source code improvements back. If you don't do that but instead say "I think this is _legal_, but I'm not going to help you" you certainly don't get any help from us. > So things that are outside the kernel tree simply do not matter to us. They get absolutely zero attention. We simply don't care. It's that simple. > And things that don't do that "give back" have no business talking about us being assholes when we don't care about them. > See? Note that there's at least one unfixed Linux kernel bug that was found by OpenZFS users, reproducible without using OpenZFS in any way, reported with a patch, and ignored. [3] So "not giving back" is a dubious claim. [1] - https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2020/01/linus-torvalds-zfs-statements-arent-right-heres-the-straight-dope/ https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2020/01/linus-torvalds-zfs-s... [2] - https://www.realworldtech.com/forum/?threadid=189711&curpostid=189959 https://www.realworldtech.com/forum/?threadid=189711&curpost... [3] - https://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=212295 https://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=212295
zokula 3y ago
ZFS was made to be Linux hostile, the kernel devs are just returning the favor.
- p_l 3y ago
  That's frankly speaking untrue - we have one off-hand comment by one person from Sun for this, and multiple claims opposite. Also, ZFS goes with the same licensing interpretation as Linus used with AFS.
- olgeni 3y ago
  Was ifconfig made to be hostile too? :D (/s)

My impression is that some of the Linux kernel devs are anti-anything that's not GPL-compatible, of any sort, regardless of the particulars. Linus himself also made remarks about ZFS at one point that were pretty...hostile. [1] [2] > The fact is, the whole point of the GPL is that you're being "paid" in terms of tit-for-tat: we give source code to you for free, but we want source code improvements back. If you don't do that but instead say "I think this is _legal_, but I'm not going to help you" you certainly don't get any help from us. > So things that are outside the kernel tree simply do not matter to us. They get absolutely zero attention. We simply don't care. It's that simple. > And things that don't do that "give back" have no business talking about us being assholes when we don't care about them. > See? Note that there's at least one unfixed Linux kernel bug that was found by OpenZFS users, reproducible without using OpenZFS in any way, reported with a patch, and ignored. [3] So "not giving back" is a dubious claim. [1] - https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2020/01/linus-torvalds-zfs-statements-arent-right-heres-the-straight-dope/ https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2020/01/linus-torvalds-zfs-s... [2] - https://www.realworldtech.com/forum/?threadid=189711&curpostid=189959 https://www.realworldtech.com/forum/?threadid=189711&curpost... [3] - https://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=212295 https://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=212295

zokula 3y ago

ZFS was made to be Linux hostile, the kernel devs are just returning the favor.

p_l 3y ago
That's frankly speaking untrue - we have one off-hand comment by one person from Sun for this, and multiple claims opposite. Also, ZFS goes with the same licensing interpretation as Linus used with AFS.
olgeni 3y ago
Was ifconfig made to be hostile too? :D (/s)