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No, sexism didn't cause the accident, but I'm glad the article brought it up. Those comments excusing men who murder their annoying wives were horrifying and fr

No, sexism didn't cause the accident, but I'm glad the article brought it up. Those comments excusing men who murder their annoying wives were horrifying and frankly I think anyone who says stuff like that in the workplace (in this case, violating sterile cockpit) deserves to be exposed publicly (especially a divorce lawyer). And, it is relevant context, given the kerffufle about whether to follow the checklist and how flustered Okai became.

TheHappyOddish 3y ago
> Those comments excusing men who murder their annoying wives were horrifying and frankly I think anyone who says stuff like that in the workplace (in this case, violating sterile cockpit) deserves to be exposed publicly (especially a divorce lawyer). These are obviously horrible things to say, but people "vent" all the time to their friends saying things they don't mean. I've head women who recently got broken up with say all men should die, people say they wish their manager got hit by a bus, etc. "Excusing murder" seems like the worst-faith interpretation here, and anyone who vents their angry thoughts being "publicly exposed" seems like it would do a lot more harm than good.
kortilla 3y ago
> And, it is relevant context, given the kerffufle about whether to follow the checklist and how flustered Okai became. No it’s not. The call to not follow the checklist came from the first officer (focusing on flying the plane was higher priority). The captain didn’t challenge him on it because he agreed with the call. There was no “kerffufle” or even disagreement.
- foobarbecue 3y ago
  I called it a kerfuffle because they started the engine shutdown checklist and then abandoned it after a couple of items, which seems pretty kerfuffly to me. I thought the discussion with Moore was relevant because that argument had been about Okai not doing procedures by the book, and because Okai has been previously reprimanded for failing to follow an engine shutdown checklist.
pessimizer 3y ago
It's bizarre to fantasize about cancelling a [not dead] pilot and trying to get his wife to divorce him.
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- foobarbecue 3y ago
  That would indeed be bizarre if somebody did that. (History: This originally said "dead", another comment corrected it and it was changed and subsequently that other comment was deleted. My comment above was also confused, I was thinking Okai was a divorce lawyer, but actually that was Ryan.)
rycomb 3y ago
Ryan —not Okai— is the one with a legal practice.
- foobarbecue 3y ago
  Ah, my bad, thanks for the correction. I had them mixed up. Well, that's a small relief.
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matt-attack 3y ago
> Those comments excusing men who murder their annoying wives were horrifying You might think twice about your interpretation of this. It is mainstream psychology to recognize the effects that one human can have on another. Brainwashing happens. Induced mental trauma exists. Look at Charles Manson and the influence he had, look at Patty Hearst. Humans can have drastic influence over their victims (intentionally or unintentionally) and there should be no shame in the ensuing mental illness that results, and neither gender no perceived gender roles should diminish our sympathy for such victims. To say carte blanche that no woman can mentally traumatize a man to the point that he should be considered a victim of brainwashing is a bit naive and likely sexist.
- foobarbecue 3y ago
  Brainwashing has nothing to do with this. > To say carte blanche that no woman can mentally traumatize a man to the point that he should be considered a victim of brainwashing is a bit naive and likely sexist. Who would say that and why???

TheHappyOddish 3y ago

> Those comments excusing men who murder their annoying wives were horrifying and frankly I think anyone who says stuff like that in the workplace (in this case, violating sterile cockpit) deserves to be exposed publicly (especially a divorce lawyer). These are obviously horrible things to say, but people "vent" all the time to their friends saying things they don't mean. I've head women who recently got broken up with say all men should die, people say they wish their manager got hit by a bus, etc. "Excusing murder" seems like the worst-faith interpretation here, and anyone who vents their angry thoughts being "publicly exposed" seems like it would do a lot more harm than good.

kortilla 3y ago

> And, it is relevant context, given the kerffufle about whether to follow the checklist and how flustered Okai became. No it’s not. The call to not follow the checklist came from the first officer (focusing on flying the plane was higher priority). The captain didn’t challenge him on it because he agreed with the call. There was no “kerffufle” or even disagreement.

foobarbecue 3y ago
I called it a kerfuffle because they started the engine shutdown checklist and then abandoned it after a couple of items, which seems pretty kerfuffly to me. I thought the discussion with Moore was relevant because that argument had been about Okai not doing procedures by the book, and because Okai has been previously reprimanded for failing to follow an engine shutdown checklist.

pessimizer 3y ago

It's bizarre to fantasize about cancelling a [not dead] pilot and trying to get his wife to divorce him.

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foobarbecue 3y ago
That would indeed be bizarre if somebody did that. (History: This originally said "dead", another comment corrected it and it was changed and subsequently that other comment was deleted. My comment above was also confused, I was thinking Okai was a divorce lawyer, but actually that was Ryan.)

rycomb 3y ago

Ryan —not Okai— is the one with a legal practice.

foobarbecue 3y ago
Ah, my bad, thanks for the correction. I had them mixed up. Well, that's a small relief.

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matt-attack 3y ago

> Those comments excusing men who murder their annoying wives were horrifying You might think twice about your interpretation of this. It is mainstream psychology to recognize the effects that one human can have on another. Brainwashing happens. Induced mental trauma exists. Look at Charles Manson and the influence he had, look at Patty Hearst. Humans can have drastic influence over their victims (intentionally or unintentionally) and there should be no shame in the ensuing mental illness that results, and neither gender no perceived gender roles should diminish our sympathy for such victims. To say carte blanche that no woman can mentally traumatize a man to the point that he should be considered a victim of brainwashing is a bit naive and likely sexist.

foobarbecue 3y ago
Brainwashing has nothing to do with this. > To say carte blanche that no woman can mentally traumatize a man to the point that he should be considered a victim of brainwashing is a bit naive and likely sexist. Who would say that and why???