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Fancy that! HTML and CSS? To make a Website? They must be mad! All joking aside, I use the same stack save for the templating. Unless you are a web developer I

Fancy that! HTML and CSS? To make a Website? They must be mad! All joking aside, I use the same stack save for the templating. Unless you are a web developer I don't see the point of a CSS framework, it's much easier to roll your own. Nor of a site generator, I tried Hugo it saved no time at all. Nor of JavaScript, a few months ago I tried replicating the websites of a few companies to improve my css skills, HTML and CSS were enough to reproduce the appearance of all of them, yet none of their website would even appear without JavaScript enabled. We stack on framework after framework, new languages, new tools, all for nothing but increased complexity and busy work for a new generation. (Save for the 5% of websites that actually need that stuff.) Also interesting to see they actually sell a service, would have been curious to know what their prices are like.

mteam88 3y ago
Agre except have used astro with good success
djbusby 3y ago
I find it very hard to design. And then design consistently. So, I love some CSS that has that pre-defined. Otherwise my looks like heck.
- ad404b8a372f2b9 3y ago
  I see your point. My recommendation if you wish to improve your designs is to do them outside of CSS if you don't already. With something like figma or Penpot you will have your fonts, palette, spacing and layout all predefined. Then once all your views are created using these common elements, you only need to transcribe them as classes in your CSS and use those few classes where needed in your HTML. I'm not a design expert, so take it with a grain of salt, but I used to be terrible and following that workflow allowed me to get decent.
  - djbusby 3y ago
    See, my problem is that I don't want to get good. I just want to ship.
    - ad404b8a372f2b9 3y ago
      Yeah we all have that problem but the design factors in the customers' decision to buy and designers cost an insane amount so what can you do.
  - wildrhythms 3y ago
    Without some design knowledge and experience (and dedication), starting from a blank canvas in Figma, Framer, or Penpot is going to be extremely difficult. Design is an art and skill in its own right.
    - ad404b8a372f2b9 3y ago
      Of course but starting from the assumption that he is doing it himself he will have an easier time using design software than jumping into CSS. Design software encourages/enforces good design rules through its interface. You couple that with a willingness to learn and a bit of practice and you can achieve some nice things. Especially given that the design of some types of websites is very codified like SaaS or blogs.

mteam88 3y ago

Agre except have used astro with good success

djbusby 3y ago

I find it very hard to design. And then design consistently. So, I love some CSS that has that pre-defined. Otherwise my looks like heck.

ad404b8a372f2b9 3y ago
I see your point. My recommendation if you wish to improve your designs is to do them outside of CSS if you don't already. With something like figma or Penpot you will have your fonts, palette, spacing and layout all predefined. Then once all your views are created using these common elements, you only need to transcribe them as classes in your CSS and use those few classes where needed in your HTML. I'm not a design expert, so take it with a grain of salt, but I used to be terrible and following that workflow allowed me to get decent.
- djbusby 3y ago
  See, my problem is that I don't want to get good. I just want to ship.
  - ad404b8a372f2b9 3y ago
    Yeah we all have that problem but the design factors in the customers' decision to buy and designers cost an insane amount so what can you do.
- wildrhythms 3y ago
  Without some design knowledge and experience (and dedication), starting from a blank canvas in Figma, Framer, or Penpot is going to be extremely difficult. Design is an art and skill in its own right.
  - ad404b8a372f2b9 3y ago
    Of course but starting from the assumption that he is doing it himself he will have an easier time using design software than jumping into CSS. Design software encourages/enforces good design rules through its interface. You couple that with a willingness to learn and a bit of practice and you can achieve some nice things. Especially given that the design of some types of websites is very codified like SaaS or blogs.