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I use IDEA and most typed languages I write (eg Java, Go, Python with annotations) have better support for things like automated refactoring, bug detection via

by ccday 3y ago

I use IDEA and most typed languages I write (eg Java, Go, Python with annotations) have better support for things like automated refactoring, bug detection via static analysis, etc

weatherlight 3y ago
Dialyzer gets you pretty far, Especially since Elixir is dynamically typed.
- wofo 3y ago
  After spending 6 months working on an Elixir codebase, and spoiled by languages with proper IDE support, I'd say Dialyzer is nice... But doesn't get even close to what I'm used to. Sometimes the benefits of the BEAM and the OTP outweight these drawbacks, of course, but to me it sucked the joy out of programming (I'm very type oriented when writing and, more importantly, reading code).
  - doctorpangloss 3y ago
    Personally I am most affected by language features that didn’t exist before September, 2021.
    - ljlolel 3y ago
      Are you an AI?
      - reilly3000 3y ago
        Are you?
        justinjlynn 3y ago
        That face when you realise that it's all Actual Intelligence and it's just some of it has extra steps.
  - CoastalCoder 3y ago
    > (I'm very type oriented when writing and, more importantly, reading code). Me too! Have you learned any tricks for getting up to speed on large code bases with very limited static typing? In recent years I've mostly worked on large, complex Python systems. The consequences of (undisciplined) dynamic typing not only sapped my joy in programming, it really burned me out. Some people are really good at living with code bases like that. I'm not one of them, but I'm still hoping to find some way to bridge the mental gap.
    - wofo 3y ago
      > it really burned me out. For me it didn't go that far, fortunately, because I managed to jump ship on time... But it was getting _tiring_. > Have you learned any tricks (...)? My current apprach is: don't. These days I usually work in Rust, C# and sometimes Typescript. I'm only open to working with dynamically typed languages for short periods of time, as a side quest of the main task (e.g. for my last contract I had to read quite some C code, which somewhat resembled dynamically typed code, but I spent even more time writing Rust, so it was OK).
      - CoastalCoder 3y ago
        > My current apprach is: don't. Eh, thanks. That's my approach as well. I was just hoping for some silver bullet I guess.
        wofo 3y ago
        Yeah, for me it was confusing to see that many programmers seem to thrive without static typing, and in fact the 6-month Elixir project was an experiment to see if I could do the same :P (to me, Elixir is still the most appealing of dynamically typed languages)

by ccday 3y ago

I use IDEA and most typed languages I write (eg Java, Go, Python with annotations) have better support for things like automated refactoring, bug detection via static analysis, etc

weatherlight 3y ago

Dialyzer gets you pretty far, Especially since Elixir is dynamically typed.

wofo 3y ago
After spending 6 months working on an Elixir codebase, and spoiled by languages with proper IDE support, I'd say Dialyzer is nice... But doesn't get even close to what I'm used to. Sometimes the benefits of the BEAM and the OTP outweight these drawbacks, of course, but to me it sucked the joy out of programming (I'm very type oriented when writing and, more importantly, reading code).
- doctorpangloss 3y ago
  Personally I am most affected by language features that didn’t exist before September, 2021.
  - ljlolel 3y ago
    Are you an AI?
    - reilly3000 3y ago
      Are you?
      - justinjlynn 3y ago
        That face when you realise that it's all Actual Intelligence and it's just some of it has extra steps.
- CoastalCoder 3y ago
  > (I'm very type oriented when writing and, more importantly, reading code). Me too! Have you learned any tricks for getting up to speed on large code bases with very limited static typing? In recent years I've mostly worked on large, complex Python systems. The consequences of (undisciplined) dynamic typing not only sapped my joy in programming, it really burned me out. Some people are really good at living with code bases like that. I'm not one of them, but I'm still hoping to find some way to bridge the mental gap.
  - wofo 3y ago
    > it really burned me out. For me it didn't go that far, fortunately, because I managed to jump ship on time... But it was getting _tiring_. > Have you learned any tricks (...)? My current apprach is: don't. These days I usually work in Rust, C# and sometimes Typescript. I'm only open to working with dynamically typed languages for short periods of time, as a side quest of the main task (e.g. for my last contract I had to read quite some C code, which somewhat resembled dynamically typed code, but I spent even more time writing Rust, so it was OK).
    - CoastalCoder 3y ago
      > My current apprach is: don't. Eh, thanks. That's my approach as well. I was just hoping for some silver bullet I guess.
      - wofo 3y ago
        Yeah, for me it was confusing to see that many programmers seem to thrive without static typing, and in fact the 6-month Elixir project was an experiment to see if I could do the same :P (to me, Elixir is still the most appealing of dynamically typed languages)