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I fact-checked a lot of wrong information that my teachers were spewing by using the smartphone, I think this ban is bad. This should be a choice. These days ev

I fact-checked a lot of wrong information that my teachers were spewing by using the smartphone, I think this ban is bad. This should be a choice. These days even reading books can be more comfortable on a screen, and it is easier to have bigger catalogue (piracy cough cough). School is a horrible, authoritarian structure comparable to prison and mental ward already, there is no reason to make it more fucked up.

binarymax 3y ago
What stops you from fact checking after you get out of the school? I’m trying to understand how a child having a distracting and addicting smartphone is a good solution to the occasional misinformed teacher.
- Aerroon 3y ago
  >What stops you from fact checking after you get out of the school? First, you will forget about all the bs they mentioned. Second, you can't confront the teacher over it or to ask them to clarify in a way that other kids will hear it too.
  - esarbe 3y ago
    You can always make notes, check later and then confront the teacher the next time you have class. Still not a reason for a kid t have a smartphone in school.
    - TotalCrackpot 3y ago
      There is one very simple reason. Fuck authoritarianism, especially when education is mandatory. Consider that a lot of people have public schooling with atrocious quality that is quite frankly quite useless, because it is mostly nationalistic, xenophobic, white-supremacists, elitist, classist, patriarchal etc. propaganda. It is actually not even useless a lot of the time, it is just harmful to a person to listen to these lies, so it's actually better if kids can drown out this propaganda by looking at a smartphone screen.
      - caskstrength 3y ago
        Username checks out.
        TotalCrackpot 3y ago
        Remember tongue map? : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tongue_map https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tongue_map , I had this at school told in authoritative manner even though it is complete bullshit. A lot of history lessons are just state propaganda, for example, Martin Luther King was much more radical than it is usually said at school. One can give a lot of these type of examples.
        caskstrength 3y ago
        What about algebra? Newton's laws? Evolution?
        TotalCrackpot 3y ago
        I have bachelors degree in math. Basic algebra is useful, however it is thought very badly. There is a lot of rote memorization, which is not useful for university level math. Precalculus is trash, mindless computations and solving a lot of quadratic equations. That's a big problem with school math, thought well it could be compressed to maybe 4 years instead of 12. I would say basic physics is better. Evolution in my school was maybe one lesson, this could be an 1 hour video. I had geography lessons in primary school where you had to memorize types of soil and where are they on the map of Poland. Polish literature is pro aristocracy nationalist propaganda mostly, Poland has a lot of messianic themes there which are complete bullshit. Overall for me school was a complete waste of time and source of stress, without it I would know more things that interest me and would be in much better health. In Poland we have schools in so called prussian education system - it was created to create factory workers, not thinking people. In Poland even Nobel prize winners are omitted at schools, it is only said that only Prize winners from Poland were Poles, even though most of our Nobel prize winners are Jews. We even have a lot of catholic propaganda with catholicism lessons financed from state budget.

binarymax 3y ago

What stops you from fact checking after you get out of the school? I’m trying to understand how a child having a distracting and addicting smartphone is a good solution to the occasional misinformed teacher.

Aerroon 3y ago
>What stops you from fact checking after you get out of the school? First, you will forget about all the bs they mentioned. Second, you can't confront the teacher over it or to ask them to clarify in a way that other kids will hear it too.
- esarbe 3y ago
  You can always make notes, check later and then confront the teacher the next time you have class. Still not a reason for a kid t have a smartphone in school.
  - TotalCrackpot 3y ago
    There is one very simple reason. Fuck authoritarianism, especially when education is mandatory. Consider that a lot of people have public schooling with atrocious quality that is quite frankly quite useless, because it is mostly nationalistic, xenophobic, white-supremacists, elitist, classist, patriarchal etc. propaganda. It is actually not even useless a lot of the time, it is just harmful to a person to listen to these lies, so it's actually better if kids can drown out this propaganda by looking at a smartphone screen.
    - caskstrength 3y ago
      Username checks out.
      - TotalCrackpot 3y ago
        Remember tongue map? : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tongue_map https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tongue_map , I had this at school told in authoritative manner even though it is complete bullshit. A lot of history lessons are just state propaganda, for example, Martin Luther King was much more radical than it is usually said at school. One can give a lot of these type of examples.
        caskstrength 3y ago
        What about algebra? Newton's laws? Evolution?
        TotalCrackpot 3y ago
        I have bachelors degree in math. Basic algebra is useful, however it is thought very badly. There is a lot of rote memorization, which is not useful for university level math. Precalculus is trash, mindless computations and solving a lot of quadratic equations. That's a big problem with school math, thought well it could be compressed to maybe 4 years instead of 12. I would say basic physics is better. Evolution in my school was maybe one lesson, this could be an 1 hour video. I had geography lessons in primary school where you had to memorize types of soil and where are they on the map of Poland. Polish literature is pro aristocracy nationalist propaganda mostly, Poland has a lot of messianic themes there which are complete bullshit. Overall for me school was a complete waste of time and source of stress, without it I would know more things that interest me and would be in much better health. In Poland we have schools in so called prussian education system - it was created to create factory workers, not thinking people. In Poland even Nobel prize winners are omitted at schools, it is only said that only Prize winners from Poland were Poles, even though most of our Nobel prize winners are Jews. We even have a lot of catholic propaganda with catholicism lessons financed from state budget.