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So if, heaven forbid, someone ever does get fired - which of the two remaining options do you propose is best: (1) commit suicide, or (2) lie in response to the

So if, heaven forbid, someone ever does get fired - which of the two remaining options do you propose is best: (1) commit suicide, or (2) lie in response to the "have you ever been fired" question? Since answering honestly is aparently a deal-breaker in your book.

bradlys 3y ago
Yeah, lie. No shit. You think companies aren’t lying? Lying is part of the theater that is our current employer-employee relationship. Everyone knows this
- lisasays 3y ago
  Everyone "knows" this but it generally applies to more nuanced categories. For example, about liking your boss's jokes, believing in "Agile", etc. But in regard to, you know, important stuff, such as matters of one's employment record -- you know they have ways of checking up on what you say, and that any company worth working for does exactly that -- right?
  - 20after4 3y ago
    So definitely don't give the boss that fired you as a reference that they might call to check up?
    - lisasays 3y ago
      Many employers make a point of checking the past 2-3 places on your resume, regardless of whether they were listed as references or not. Also, not listing your most recent clients/managers as references (because why wouldn't they be glowingly positive?) can be seen as a red flag.
  - bradlys 3y ago
    Again, I’ve never had this issue and never has anyone I know. They don’t call companies to ask if you were fired. They ask and tell you if you worked there and for what dates. Reason for leaving is never told.
    - lisasays 3y ago
      OK, so you're dodging the question, then. "What to do if they ask question X?" "Just lie, like everyone else does." "Except you know that won't work if in fact they do ask you question X, right?" "Doesn't matter, because they they won't ask you anyway." Weird. In any case it absolutely is standard practice for a significant portion of companies to go this route (especially in more traditional sectors). Even if it hasn't happened to you personally, or to people in your bubble world.
      - bradlys 3y ago
        This is HN - the bubble of Silicon Valley and venture capital. I can tell you with great certainty it is incredibly uncommon to encounter people in HR who will tell you the reason why X person left the company. In a region that is happy to do lawsuits - they don't bother. After all - it's no longer their issue. They'll just verify dates of employment and that's it.
vba616 3y ago
I made a comment here on what I think is the right approach: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36588394 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36588394

bradlys 3y ago

Yeah, lie. No shit. You think companies aren’t lying? Lying is part of the theater that is our current employer-employee relationship. Everyone knows this

lisasays 3y ago
Everyone "knows" this but it generally applies to more nuanced categories. For example, about liking your boss's jokes, believing in "Agile", etc. But in regard to, you know, important stuff, such as matters of one's employment record -- you know they have ways of checking up on what you say, and that any company worth working for does exactly that -- right?
- 20after4 3y ago
  So definitely don't give the boss that fired you as a reference that they might call to check up?
  - lisasays 3y ago
    Many employers make a point of checking the past 2-3 places on your resume, regardless of whether they were listed as references or not. Also, not listing your most recent clients/managers as references (because why wouldn't they be glowingly positive?) can be seen as a red flag.
- bradlys 3y ago
  Again, I’ve never had this issue and never has anyone I know. They don’t call companies to ask if you were fired. They ask and tell you if you worked there and for what dates. Reason for leaving is never told.
  - lisasays 3y ago
    OK, so you're dodging the question, then. "What to do if they ask question X?" "Just lie, like everyone else does." "Except you know that won't work if in fact they do ask you question X, right?" "Doesn't matter, because they they won't ask you anyway." Weird. In any case it absolutely is standard practice for a significant portion of companies to go this route (especially in more traditional sectors). Even if it hasn't happened to you personally, or to people in your bubble world.
    - bradlys 3y ago
      This is HN - the bubble of Silicon Valley and venture capital. I can tell you with great certainty it is incredibly uncommon to encounter people in HR who will tell you the reason why X person left the company. In a region that is happy to do lawsuits - they don't bother. After all - it's no longer their issue. They'll just verify dates of employment and that's it.

vba616 3y ago

I made a comment here on what I think is the right approach: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36588394 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36588394