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Smartphone is essential tool for normal life today. One can not even pay or use public transport without smartphone! Owning it should be basic human right, lik

Smartphone is essential tool for normal life today. One can not even pay or use public transport without smartphone! Owning it should be basic human right, like wearing clothes! Large number of students in Nederlands do not speak local language. Smartphone is essential for translation and communication with them. It also allows calling 911, and video/audio recording evidence, if there are any misunderstandings. This rule feels like teachers are solving their problems at expense of students!

CalRobert 3y ago
I'm a parent. We're moving to the Netherlands next month. I just sent emails to the local taalschool in Hilversum (and two basisschools) to ensure that my daughters learn Dutch as fast as possible upon our arrival because learning the local language is critical for living a full life. Any parent who doesn't do this, except _perhaps_ for those who know they're on a short-term stint for work or similar, is being negligent.
- bollos 3y ago
  Small correction that it would be "basisscholen" in the plural form. I hope you enjoy your stay here in NL :)
  - CalRobert 3y ago
    Dank u wel! Hopefully within a year my daughter is helping me get details like that correct :-)
- Thrio499 3y ago
  There are people who do not want to learn Dutch. I sincerely wish all best to you and your kid. Please stay on her side, and not on side of some imagininary ideology.
misnome 3y ago
This feels like you didn’t even read the thread title. “In Classroom” != “they are banned from owning”. And I’m not sure that calling 911 would help them, in the Netherlands.
- gsich 3y ago
  It will probably redirect to 112.
arp242 3y ago
> Owning it should be basic human right, like wearing clothes! NOT having to own an abusive manipulation tool should be a basic human right. And let's be very clear about this: almost all apps are intentionally designed to be manipulative. Try disabling notifications for example, and most apps will whine and whinge and bully you until you enable it. The design of these things is thoroughly and profoundly abusive. Never mind of course that "smartphone" in practicality means "Android and iOS", and "must give monies to this huge duopoly" is something I have a bone or two to pick with as well. > Large number of students in Nederlands do not speak local language This problem can be solved by learning Dutch.
_Algernon_ 3y ago
Using exclamation points every other sentence doesn't make a bad argument good.
nerdbert 3y ago
> One can not even pay or use public transport without smartphone! Children are not allowed to ride the bus inside the classroom either. So I guess we're okay. > Large number of students in Nederlands do not speak local language. Smartphone is essential for translation and communication with them. Nobody is doing this on a regular basis, except maybe during an intake session. If something exceptional comes up then the teacher can use their phone to translate. > It also allows calling 911 Not going to try, but I'm not sure 911 works here. 112 is the emergency number (and that's an actual worldwide standard, works in the USA as well).
- atahanacar 3y ago
  >Not going to try, but I'm not sure 911 works here. According to Wikipedia it redirects to 112, just as I expected: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/112_(emergency_telephone_number) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/112_(emergency_telephone_numbe...

CalRobert 3y ago

I'm a parent. We're moving to the Netherlands next month. I just sent emails to the local taalschool in Hilversum (and two basisschools) to ensure that my daughters learn Dutch as fast as possible upon our arrival because learning the local language is critical for living a full life. Any parent who doesn't do this, except _perhaps_ for those who know they're on a short-term stint for work or similar, is being negligent.

bollos 3y ago
Small correction that it would be "basisscholen" in the plural form. I hope you enjoy your stay here in NL :)
- CalRobert 3y ago
  Dank u wel! Hopefully within a year my daughter is helping me get details like that correct :-)
Thrio499 3y ago
There are people who do not want to learn Dutch. I sincerely wish all best to you and your kid. Please stay on her side, and not on side of some imagininary ideology.

misnome 3y ago

This feels like you didn’t even read the thread title. “In Classroom” != “they are banned from owning”. And I’m not sure that calling 911 would help them, in the Netherlands.

gsich 3y ago
It will probably redirect to 112.

arp242 3y ago

> Owning it should be basic human right, like wearing clothes! NOT having to own an abusive manipulation tool should be a basic human right. And let's be very clear about this: almost all apps are intentionally designed to be manipulative. Try disabling notifications for example, and most apps will whine and whinge and bully you until you enable it. The design of these things is thoroughly and profoundly abusive. Never mind of course that "smartphone" in practicality means "Android and iOS", and "must give monies to this huge duopoly" is something I have a bone or two to pick with as well. > Large number of students in Nederlands do not speak local language This problem can be solved by learning Dutch.

_Algernon_ 3y ago

Using exclamation points every other sentence doesn't make a bad argument good.

nerdbert 3y ago

> One can not even pay or use public transport without smartphone! Children are not allowed to ride the bus inside the classroom either. So I guess we're okay. > Large number of students in Nederlands do not speak local language. Smartphone is essential for translation and communication with them. Nobody is doing this on a regular basis, except maybe during an intake session. If something exceptional comes up then the teacher can use their phone to translate. > It also allows calling 911 Not going to try, but I'm not sure 911 works here. 112 is the emergency number (and that's an actual worldwide standard, works in the USA as well).

atahanacar 3y ago
>Not going to try, but I'm not sure 911 works here. According to Wikipedia it redirects to 112, just as I expected: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/112_(emergency_telephone_number) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/112_(emergency_telephone_numbe...