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Pay ad company with my personal data and money, while they still will display ads?! What kind of argument it is?

michaelt 3y ago
With youtube premium they stop showing you ads. They also give you their spotify equivalent, youtube music. (Of course it's true you'll still see shill review videos, and video creators doing ad reads for shitty VPNs - but those ads don't come from google) > What kind of argument it is? Back in the 2000s, on tech forums whenever someone would say "ad blocking is theft, server costs have to be paid somehow" someone would respond "I'd pay to remove ads if they'd let me" - well, now's our chance to do exactly that. I adblock everything myself - but I earn a mid-career adult's salary now, and I get more value from Youtube than I do from Netflix so I don't mind paying for it. I also use gmail, google search and google maps with ads blocked, so I don't mind giving google a few bucks a month.
- kneebonian 3y ago
  > With youtube premium they stop showing you ads. For now.... Until they decide to increase the price of ad free premium and introduce a new tier at the original price that includes ads. It's the same argument people made about how if you get free stuff you should expect ads and if you don't like things then pay for them. It turns out the things we paid for just started including ads as well.
  - climb_stealth 3y ago
    > For now.... Until they decide to increase the price of ad free premium and introduce a new tier at the original price that includes ads. Sure, but if that happens you cancel then. Not paying now because it might get worse in the future seems a bit backward. Unfortunately the enshittification of the whole experience is almost guaranteed, I agree with you there. But for now Youtube Premium is very much worth it when watching a lot. I have watched >160 hours since January [0] and am super happy with it. I always use an ad blocker so my experience hasn't changed. But it feels like the right thing to do. Also because content creators get more money per view from premium users. And because I pay for the family plan I don't have to be subjected to overhearing ads played by my immediate family either. [0] Youtube shows stats on the account page on how much the premium features were used since going premium.
- withinboredom 3y ago
  It's mind-bogglingly expensive 7 euros a month to watch 3 channels that post once a quarter. It's not worth it. I'm not interested in the music thing.
  - unmole 3y ago
    Great, you can just stop watching YouTube then.
    - withinboredom 3y ago
      Yep. The people I subscribe to have a patreon where they publish YouTube links. I guess I should stop giving them money since I can’t consume their content.
- midoridensha 3y ago
  >With youtube premium they stop showing you ads. They promised the same thing with cable TV when it was new.
  - brabel 3y ago
    They did? Who are "they"? Certainly not Google or Youtube. Do you now not pay for anything because "they may be lying"?
    - midoridensha 3y ago
      "They" are the people who promised no ads in return for a subscription. They're all cut from the same cloth. And no, I don't pay for anything that promises no ads in return for a subscription. The cable companies taught us not to believe that lie decades ago.
- zimpenfish 3y ago
  > With youtube premium they stop showing you ads. But you still have to sit through the sponsor segments, right? Which are getting increasingly egregious - I've seen 12 minute videos with almost 3 minutes of sponsor fluff in the middle. (Although if YouTube Premium has a better recommendation algorithm, I'd definitely pay for that given the current one is garbage.)
  - mcv 3y ago
    That's not YouTube, that's the content creators on there. These sponsorship deals make them a lot more money than what they get from YouTube itself. It's annoying and frustrating, but I totally get that they need to do this if they want to make a living from their channel. If you don't like this, I suppose you can block the channels that do this and only watch amateur channels that aren't in it for the money. Or they make their money from Patreon or other sources.
McDyver 3y ago
Exactly, and on top of that paying for premium doesn't remove the ads and tracking everywhere google is present. You'll be paying, and _still_ be the product all around the web.
unmole 3y ago
There's always the option of not using the service.

With youtube premium they stop showing you ads. They also give you their spotify equivalent, youtube music. (Of course it's true you'll still see shill review videos, and video creators doing ad reads for shitty VPNs - but those ads don't come from google) > What kind of argument it is? Back in the 2000s, on tech forums whenever someone would say "ad blocking is theft, server costs have to be paid somehow" someone would respond "I'd pay to remove ads if they'd let me" - well, now's our chance to do exactly that. I adblock everything myself - but I earn a mid-career adult's salary now, and I get more value from Youtube than I do from Netflix so I don't mind paying for it. I also use gmail, google search and google maps with ads blocked, so I don't mind giving google a few bucks a month.

kneebonian 3y ago
> With youtube premium they stop showing you ads. For now.... Until they decide to increase the price of ad free premium and introduce a new tier at the original price that includes ads. It's the same argument people made about how if you get free stuff you should expect ads and if you don't like things then pay for them. It turns out the things we paid for just started including ads as well.
- climb_stealth 3y ago
  > For now.... Until they decide to increase the price of ad free premium and introduce a new tier at the original price that includes ads. Sure, but if that happens you cancel then. Not paying now because it might get worse in the future seems a bit backward. Unfortunately the enshittification of the whole experience is almost guaranteed, I agree with you there. But for now Youtube Premium is very much worth it when watching a lot. I have watched >160 hours since January [0] and am super happy with it. I always use an ad blocker so my experience hasn't changed. But it feels like the right thing to do. Also because content creators get more money per view from premium users. And because I pay for the family plan I don't have to be subjected to overhearing ads played by my immediate family either. [0] Youtube shows stats on the account page on how much the premium features were used since going premium.
withinboredom 3y ago
It's mind-bogglingly expensive 7 euros a month to watch 3 channels that post once a quarter. It's not worth it. I'm not interested in the music thing.
- unmole 3y ago
  Great, you can just stop watching YouTube then.
  - withinboredom 3y ago
    Yep. The people I subscribe to have a patreon where they publish YouTube links. I guess I should stop giving them money since I can’t consume their content.
midoridensha 3y ago
>With youtube premium they stop showing you ads. They promised the same thing with cable TV when it was new.
- brabel 3y ago
  They did? Who are "they"? Certainly not Google or Youtube. Do you now not pay for anything because "they may be lying"?
  - midoridensha 3y ago
    "They" are the people who promised no ads in return for a subscription. They're all cut from the same cloth. And no, I don't pay for anything that promises no ads in return for a subscription. The cable companies taught us not to believe that lie decades ago.
zimpenfish 3y ago
> With youtube premium they stop showing you ads. But you still have to sit through the sponsor segments, right? Which are getting increasingly egregious - I've seen 12 minute videos with almost 3 minutes of sponsor fluff in the middle. (Although if YouTube Premium has a better recommendation algorithm, I'd definitely pay for that given the current one is garbage.)
- mcv 3y ago
  That's not YouTube, that's the content creators on there. These sponsorship deals make them a lot more money than what they get from YouTube itself. It's annoying and frustrating, but I totally get that they need to do this if they want to make a living from their channel. If you don't like this, I suppose you can block the channels that do this and only watch amateur channels that aren't in it for the money. Or they make their money from Patreon or other sources.

McDyver 3y ago

Exactly, and on top of that paying for premium doesn't remove the ads and tracking everywhere google is present. You'll be paying, and _still_ be the product all around the web.

unmole 3y ago

There's always the option of not using the service.