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This is what most German sites like spiegel.de or heise.de do: "Continue reading with ads Visit SPIEGEL.de as you normally would with the advertising and the

This is what most German sites like spiegel.de or heise.de do: "Continue reading with ads Visit SPIEGEL.de as you normally would with the advertising and the usual tracking. (You can revoke your consent at any time.) or Read ad-free No sharing of your data with advertisers. Use us for a fee without any ad tracking and practically free of advertising."

Euphorbium 3y ago
Advertisers only want to advertise to paying customers, because free tier does not buy anything.
- pmontra 3y ago
  Advertisers show ads to the large free tier of Facebook and Google. Furthermore everybody buy something.
  - ben_w 3y ago
    > Furthermore everybody buy something Is practically unavoidable in a system like ours; but also not important in this context as there's an implicit "because it was advertised". One of the ways I'm weird: it's like I have a homunculus of the Marie Kondo meme before I'd even heard of her, telling me I don't really want to buy $thing, or even receive one as a gift, because it won't spark joy. As a result, my total expenses included rent, food, commuting, utilities, fun… literally everything, all comes to less than €1000/month on average.
    - meghan_rain 3y ago
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      - Timon3 3y ago
        Maybe save the indignation for when someone actually advocates for what you're describing? GP didn't say anything in that regard. Can you not handle any small criticism of our current system?
        Qwertious 3y ago
        Well, you see there are two options: the current system, or Stalinism. These are literally the only possible configurations for society.
      - ben_w 3y ago
        You're disgusted by the result of your own imagination about what I didn't actually write.
- sebzim4500 3y ago
  That only matters if a significant portion of the userbase actually pays the fee. If only 0.01% of users pay the fee, then advertisers will be totally fine 'only' advertising to the poorest 99.99% of the population. See how people still pay for youtube ads despite there being a premium service to skip them.
pmontra 3y ago
Some Italian news sites instead are doing accept tracking and read for free or refuse tracking and subscribe.
littlestymaar 3y ago
Most French press media do almost the same, but they still share data with third party when you pay >_<: see Le Monde's privacy policy[1] > 4. POUR QUELLES FINALITÉS UTILISONS-NOUS VOS DONNÉES ? > 4.3. Opérations liées à des partenariats commerciaux > Partage, échange ou location de fichiers avec des partenaires commerciaux dans le respect de la réglementation en vigueur et des exigences de sécurité ; [1]: https://www.lemonde.fr/confidentialite/ https://www.lemonde.fr/confidentialite/
jacooper 3y ago
This isnt clearly legal under the GDPR https://noyb.eu/en/pay-or-okay-beginning-end https://noyb.eu/en/pay-or-okay-beginning-end
- deschutes 3y ago
  One wonders if European lawmakers have any idea what a business is.
  - jacooper 3y ago
    One wonders if businesses know what digital privacy is.

Euphorbium 3y ago

Advertisers only want to advertise to paying customers, because free tier does not buy anything.

pmontra 3y ago
Advertisers show ads to the large free tier of Facebook and Google. Furthermore everybody buy something.
- ben_w 3y ago
  > Furthermore everybody buy something Is practically unavoidable in a system like ours; but also not important in this context as there's an implicit "because it was advertised". One of the ways I'm weird: it's like I have a homunculus of the Marie Kondo meme before I'd even heard of her, telling me I don't really want to buy $thing, or even receive one as a gift, because it won't spark joy. As a result, my total expenses included rent, food, commuting, utilities, fun… literally everything, all comes to less than €1000/month on average.
  - meghan_rain 3y ago
    [flagged]
    - Timon3 3y ago
      Maybe save the indignation for when someone actually advocates for what you're describing? GP didn't say anything in that regard. Can you not handle any small criticism of our current system?
      - Qwertious 3y ago
        Well, you see there are two options: the current system, or Stalinism. These are literally the only possible configurations for society.
    - ben_w 3y ago
      You're disgusted by the result of your own imagination about what I didn't actually write.
sebzim4500 3y ago
That only matters if a significant portion of the userbase actually pays the fee. If only 0.01% of users pay the fee, then advertisers will be totally fine 'only' advertising to the poorest 99.99% of the population. See how people still pay for youtube ads despite there being a premium service to skip them.

pmontra 3y ago

Some Italian news sites instead are doing accept tracking and read for free or refuse tracking and subscribe.

littlestymaar 3y ago

Most French press media do almost the same, but they still share data with third party when you pay >_<: see Le Monde's privacy policy[1] > 4. POUR QUELLES FINALITÉS UTILISONS-NOUS VOS DONNÉES ? > 4.3. Opérations liées à des partenariats commerciaux > Partage, échange ou location de fichiers avec des partenaires commerciaux dans le respect de la réglementation en vigueur et des exigences de sécurité ; [1]: https://www.lemonde.fr/confidentialite/ https://www.lemonde.fr/confidentialite/

jacooper 3y ago

This isnt clearly legal under the GDPR https://noyb.eu/en/pay-or-okay-beginning-end https://noyb.eu/en/pay-or-okay-beginning-end

deschutes 3y ago
One wonders if European lawmakers have any idea what a business is.
- jacooper 3y ago
  One wonders if businesses know what digital privacy is.