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Only in puritan US is there such nonsense as age verification for booze and cigs yet you can go out and shoot up your school. LOL. Kids will do stupid things

Only in puritan US is there such nonsense as age verification for booze and cigs yet you can go out and shoot up your school. LOL. Kids will do stupid things and test their boundaries - they will drink , smoke weed and have pre marital sex - best to do is that you as a parent have instilled some values and advice how to do it responsibly.

badpun 3y ago
In non-puritan countries there are still age restrictions for cigarettes and alcohol, but you cannot get a gun easily. Seems like it doesn’t have anything to do with puritanism at all, and the main differentiating factor is just US’s love affair with guns.
- tibbydudeza 3y ago
  Yes advertising restrictions for tobacco companies but there is no need to produce a govt ID when purchasing vapes, booze or cigs. You just walk up and the cashier eyeballs you and if you an obvious minor but then you get a friend that plays sports to buy it - just seem like a silly liability waiver for not getting sued when Timmy DUI's and wipes out somebody.
  - badpun 3y ago
    > Yes advertising restrictions for tobacco companies but there is no need to produce a govt ID when purchasing vapes, booze or cigs. What country do you have in mind specifically? I live in a non-puritan country (Poland) and we absolutely need to produce the ID.
    - throwaway98721 3y ago
      You live in the most puritan country in EU. Polish women have to illegally (because your country made it illegal for pregnant women) cross borders to have medically necessary abortions and then they will be persecuted if they return. Anyways, I never had to produce ID when I bought alcohol and cigarettes while I visited Poland.
      - badpun 3y ago
        Please read what Purtanism is, before you start talking about it. E.g. here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Puritans https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Puritans (short version - puritanism was a movement that orignated on the British Isles, and spread to the US from there. It never ever made it to Poland). As for the original issue - once it's visibly obvious that you're over 18, nobody asks you to produce your ID. The only exceptions are automated (self-service) tills.
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        throwaway98721 3y ago
        Notice that I said "puritan", not "Puritan" - "puritan" usually doesn't mean anything directly connected to the Puritans in modern discourse. Check the dictionary. It has a generalized primary meaning today. And your country is the definition of it (of course, also not literally). From your link: "Puritanism was never a formally defined religious division within Protestantism, and the term Puritan itself was rarely used after the turn of the 18th century." - that makes it extremely unlikely I meant it literally, don't you think? As for the original issue - I wasn't over 18 back then and it was very visible.
paulddraper 3y ago
We should require age verification for shooting up schools too. (Am I following your argument correctly?)
- herewulf 3y ago
  The argument is there are bigger problems to worry about. Note that today there have been three mass shootings in the US. And the day isn't over yet. And 2023 has been historically bad.
  - paulddraper 3y ago
    Those aren't even necessarily different things. Mass murderers are mentally unwell and feel isolated from society. Both of which are correlated to porn abuse.

badpun 3y ago

In non-puritan countries there are still age restrictions for cigarettes and alcohol, but you cannot get a gun easily. Seems like it doesn’t have anything to do with puritanism at all, and the main differentiating factor is just US’s love affair with guns.

tibbydudeza 3y ago
Yes advertising restrictions for tobacco companies but there is no need to produce a govt ID when purchasing vapes, booze or cigs. You just walk up and the cashier eyeballs you and if you an obvious minor but then you get a friend that plays sports to buy it - just seem like a silly liability waiver for not getting sued when Timmy DUI's and wipes out somebody.
- badpun 3y ago
  > Yes advertising restrictions for tobacco companies but there is no need to produce a govt ID when purchasing vapes, booze or cigs. What country do you have in mind specifically? I live in a non-puritan country (Poland) and we absolutely need to produce the ID.
  - throwaway98721 3y ago
    You live in the most puritan country in EU. Polish women have to illegally (because your country made it illegal for pregnant women) cross borders to have medically necessary abortions and then they will be persecuted if they return. Anyways, I never had to produce ID when I bought alcohol and cigarettes while I visited Poland.
    - badpun 3y ago
      Please read what Purtanism is, before you start talking about it. E.g. here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Puritans https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Puritans (short version - puritanism was a movement that orignated on the British Isles, and spread to the US from there. It never ever made it to Poland). As for the original issue - once it's visibly obvious that you're over 18, nobody asks you to produce your ID. The only exceptions are automated (self-service) tills.
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      - throwaway98721 3y ago
        Notice that I said "puritan", not "Puritan" - "puritan" usually doesn't mean anything directly connected to the Puritans in modern discourse. Check the dictionary. It has a generalized primary meaning today. And your country is the definition of it (of course, also not literally). From your link: "Puritanism was never a formally defined religious division within Protestantism, and the term Puritan itself was rarely used after the turn of the 18th century." - that makes it extremely unlikely I meant it literally, don't you think? As for the original issue - I wasn't over 18 back then and it was very visible.

paulddraper 3y ago

We should require age verification for shooting up schools too. (Am I following your argument correctly?)

herewulf 3y ago
The argument is there are bigger problems to worry about. Note that today there have been three mass shootings in the US. And the day isn't over yet. And 2023 has been historically bad.
- paulddraper 3y ago
  Those aren't even necessarily different things. Mass murderers are mentally unwell and feel isolated from society. Both of which are correlated to porn abuse.