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That's fine. I'm not their market, and I'm sure that YouTube server cost are mind-boggling. I'll just use their platform even less as they turn it into cable TV

That's fine. I'm not their market, and I'm sure that YouTube server cost are mind-boggling. I'll just use their platform even less as they turn it into cable TV. I pay or donate for the services I truly value, and all of those respect me enough not to try to mess with my head. As others have said, ads are psychological warfare, and I want no part in that.

AndrewOMartin 3y ago
This is right. Them putting ads in the free version doesn't imply that they won't put ads in the paid version, it implies that they will.
- midoridensha 3y ago
  They did it before with cable TV: they promised customers that by paying for a cable TV subscription, they wouldn't have to watch ads. That didn't last very long. They lied before, so they're probably lying now. Those who don't learn from history are doomed to repeat it.
  - antisthenes 3y ago
    I don't understand how people still trust corporations. The default assumption should be that corporations (especially large and powerful ones) lie all the time, unless proven otherwise. Or that their correct PR statement is temporary at best and subject to change at any time, without notice, etc. etc.
- sofixa 3y ago
  And you can just unsubscribe from it then instead of using a hypothetical to explain why you don't want to pay in any way for a (let's face it, extremely valuable and expensive) service?
  - AndrewOMartin 3y ago
    It's not that valuable to me, it's more of a comfort-food-content provider. If I had to spend money I'd rather spend it on live music or other things outside of the house and lean ever more on the BBC radio or TV (which I happily pay for), some relatively indie creators, or the archive.
  - leereeves 3y ago
    Personally I already subscribe to Nebula and Curiosity Stream, but I refuse to subscribe to YT for the above and other reasons. I expect that YT will continue to get worse as long as they hold a dominant position, and I don't intend to wait until they're as bad and expensive as cable before resisting. In fact, isn't the strategy YT is pursuing here (offer a service below cost to capture a market then raise costs after destroying the competition) illegal?
    - red-iron-pine 3y ago
      when has that ever been illegal?
      - leereeves 3y ago
        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Predatory_pricing https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Predatory_pricing

AndrewOMartin 3y ago

This is right. Them putting ads in the free version doesn't imply that they won't put ads in the paid version, it implies that they will.

midoridensha 3y ago
They did it before with cable TV: they promised customers that by paying for a cable TV subscription, they wouldn't have to watch ads. That didn't last very long. They lied before, so they're probably lying now. Those who don't learn from history are doomed to repeat it.
- antisthenes 3y ago
  I don't understand how people still trust corporations. The default assumption should be that corporations (especially large and powerful ones) lie all the time, unless proven otherwise. Or that their correct PR statement is temporary at best and subject to change at any time, without notice, etc. etc.
sofixa 3y ago
And you can just unsubscribe from it then instead of using a hypothetical to explain why you don't want to pay in any way for a (let's face it, extremely valuable and expensive) service?
- AndrewOMartin 3y ago
  It's not that valuable to me, it's more of a comfort-food-content provider. If I had to spend money I'd rather spend it on live music or other things outside of the house and lean ever more on the BBC radio or TV (which I happily pay for), some relatively indie creators, or the archive.
- leereeves 3y ago
  Personally I already subscribe to Nebula and Curiosity Stream, but I refuse to subscribe to YT for the above and other reasons. I expect that YT will continue to get worse as long as they hold a dominant position, and I don't intend to wait until they're as bad and expensive as cable before resisting. In fact, isn't the strategy YT is pursuing here (offer a service below cost to capture a market then raise costs after destroying the competition) illegal?
  - red-iron-pine 3y ago
    when has that ever been illegal?
    - leereeves 3y ago
      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Predatory_pricing https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Predatory_pricing