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Anecdotally, I mostly purchase Philips Hue, and one has yet to fail. Yeah, they are not cheap, but I’ve some of the lamps for many years and they are still doin

Anecdotally, I mostly purchase Philips Hue, and one has yet to fail. Yeah, they are not cheap, but I’ve some of the lamps for many years and they are still doing fine. They have certainly outlasted incandescent bulbs, and at a fraction of the electricity consumption. High quality LEDs are widely proven to be a sound investment. A EUR 2 LED bulb may not fall into the “High Quality LED” group. All of this is widely researched and peer reviewed. The overall ecological impact of using LED bulbs is significantly improved over incandescent or fluorescent lamps.

throwaway290 3y ago
Why is it ecologically better in manufacturing? A regular bulb is tungsten & glass, and LED is what? Unlike regular bulbs it's hard to find out manufacturing details for LED, but they usually seem plasticky (= oil and all that) and I guess a lot depends on the kind of phosphorus used etc.
- mdekkers 3y ago
  > Why is it ecologically better? The significant reduction in energy use as well as the long lifespan of the lamps more than makes up for the metals used in the manufacture of the lamps. If this genuinely interests you there is plenty of research available from reputable sources.
  - throwaway290 3y ago
    > The significant reduction in energy use as well as the long lifespan of the lamps I meant manufacturing. Longevity we already discussed. LED lamps die on me on the regular and I am not buying a Hue, I need a dumb bulb with a single dim warm color without flicker that's all. > If this genuinely interests you there is plenty of research available from reputable sources. I could not find a good summary on LED manufacturing after cursory search, if you don't really know yourself then it's okay to admit it (but maybe don't claim they're ecologically better without knowing the impact of their manufacturing).
    - mdekkers 3y ago
      > I meant manufacturing. That’s cherrypicking, and also leads me to believe you are not genuinely interested in having and informed debate. > I am not buying a Hue for that money. > I could not find a good summary on LED manufacturing after cursory search. I have, you must not have been looking hard enough. I don’t know what to tell you, buddy. Enjoy your high electricity bills, or alternatively your life with expensive, flickering, poor quality LED bulbs, I guess. I don’t really see this discussion going anywhere for either of us, so good luck with it all.
      - throwaway290 3y ago
        > That’s cherrypicking, and also leads me to believe you are not genuinely interested in having and informed debate. It's not cherry-picking since my very first comment raised this issue. If you don't read attentively before replying that's on you. > I have, you must not have been looking hard enough. A position like "I know it's true but I'm not going to substantiate it" doesn't contribute much. > Enjoy your high electricity bills When it's dark I use a couple of dirt cheap dimmed regular bulbs and bills have been bearable so far ;)
        mcv 3y ago
        If you need a bulb that's rarely going to be on, and only for very brief moments at that, sure, an incandescent bulb may be more ecologically sound. But if you have issues with the ecological impact of the manufacture of LED bulbs, you can't use anything involving plastic or silicon, including computers. So yes, it is cherry picking to single out LEDs while ignoring the far bigger impact of every other electronic device in the home. It's the same as people concerned about wind turbines killing birds while ignoring power lines, windows, cars and cats. The argument sounds very insincere.
        throwaway290 3y ago
        > rarely going to be on Why rarely? Where I am it's pretty dark every night. > But if you have issues with the ecological impact of the manufacture of LED bulbs, you can't use anything involving plastic or silicon, including computers. Bring it up when we make computers of comparable capabilities from glass and tungsten I guess? > cherry picking to single out LEDs So sorry for sneakily cherry-picking LEDs (of all things!) in a thread about alternatives to LEDs under a link to the article that talks about LEDs and their downsides. Let's discuss plastic bottles and other environmental hazards instead.

throwaway290 3y ago

Why is it ecologically better in manufacturing? A regular bulb is tungsten & glass, and LED is what? Unlike regular bulbs it's hard to find out manufacturing details for LED, but they usually seem plasticky (= oil and all that) and I guess a lot depends on the kind of phosphorus used etc.

mdekkers 3y ago
> Why is it ecologically better? The significant reduction in energy use as well as the long lifespan of the lamps more than makes up for the metals used in the manufacture of the lamps. If this genuinely interests you there is plenty of research available from reputable sources.
- throwaway290 3y ago
  > The significant reduction in energy use as well as the long lifespan of the lamps I meant manufacturing. Longevity we already discussed. LED lamps die on me on the regular and I am not buying a Hue, I need a dumb bulb with a single dim warm color without flicker that's all. > If this genuinely interests you there is plenty of research available from reputable sources. I could not find a good summary on LED manufacturing after cursory search, if you don't really know yourself then it's okay to admit it (but maybe don't claim they're ecologically better without knowing the impact of their manufacturing).
  - mdekkers 3y ago
    > I meant manufacturing. That’s cherrypicking, and also leads me to believe you are not genuinely interested in having and informed debate. > I am not buying a Hue for that money. > I could not find a good summary on LED manufacturing after cursory search. I have, you must not have been looking hard enough. I don’t know what to tell you, buddy. Enjoy your high electricity bills, or alternatively your life with expensive, flickering, poor quality LED bulbs, I guess. I don’t really see this discussion going anywhere for either of us, so good luck with it all.
    - throwaway290 3y ago
      > That’s cherrypicking, and also leads me to believe you are not genuinely interested in having and informed debate. It's not cherry-picking since my very first comment raised this issue. If you don't read attentively before replying that's on you. > I have, you must not have been looking hard enough. A position like "I know it's true but I'm not going to substantiate it" doesn't contribute much. > Enjoy your high electricity bills When it's dark I use a couple of dirt cheap dimmed regular bulbs and bills have been bearable so far ;)
      - mcv 3y ago
        If you need a bulb that's rarely going to be on, and only for very brief moments at that, sure, an incandescent bulb may be more ecologically sound. But if you have issues with the ecological impact of the manufacture of LED bulbs, you can't use anything involving plastic or silicon, including computers. So yes, it is cherry picking to single out LEDs while ignoring the far bigger impact of every other electronic device in the home. It's the same as people concerned about wind turbines killing birds while ignoring power lines, windows, cars and cats. The argument sounds very insincere.
        throwaway290 3y ago
        > rarely going to be on Why rarely? Where I am it's pretty dark every night. > But if you have issues with the ecological impact of the manufacture of LED bulbs, you can't use anything involving plastic or silicon, including computers. Bring it up when we make computers of comparable capabilities from glass and tungsten I guess? > cherry picking to single out LEDs So sorry for sneakily cherry-picking LEDs (of all things!) in a thread about alternatives to LEDs under a link to the article that talks about LEDs and their downsides. Let's discuss plastic bottles and other environmental hazards instead.