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Nice mental gymnastics and self-rationalization, but I never said calling people tech bro's was bigotry. It absolutely is tribalistic stereotyping though, which

by gfodor 3y ago

Nice mental gymnastics and self-rationalization, but I never said calling people tech bro's was bigotry. It absolutely is tribalistic stereotyping though, which is a key part of the same underlying mental phenomenon that leads to bigotry, particularly in the way it is being done here, to be disparaging and generalizing about people.

logicprog 3y ago
I like it how people can just call actually carefully reasoning through definitions and logic "mental gymnastics" or "rationalization" so they don't have to actually engage with the point or demonstrate where a mistake was made. It's a very convenient way to poison the well indeed. > It absolutely is tribalistic stereotyping They're talking about an actually real philosophical and ideological tendency among some people in Tech. It's not a tribalistic stereotype. By that definition talking about any group of people that hears to a general ideology would be tribalistic stereotyping and that's extremely stupid. Being able to talk about the people that have a certain ideological tendency is a necessary part of talking about the social dynamics of issues. > to be disparaging and generalizing about people If you are talking about a general group of people and it's a group that is defined by their adherence to a squishy set of bad ideas, I don't see the issue with that. It seems like you and the other people objecting to the use of the term "tech bro" just feel offended and want to wiggle out of that any way you can. So you try to reduce discussions down to purely only ever being able to talk about specific individuals, essentially ripping out an important conceptual aspect of the discussion by removing the ability to abstract, which is a crucial part of reasoning. Referring to the group of people that adheres to a certain attitude or ideology is not tribalistic nor stereotyping. Assigning arbitrary unrelated attributes to a group is stereotyping.

by gfodor 3y ago

logicprog 3y ago

I like it how people can just call actually carefully reasoning through definitions and logic "mental gymnastics" or "rationalization" so they don't have to actually engage with the point or demonstrate where a mistake was made. It's a very convenient way to poison the well indeed. > It absolutely is tribalistic stereotyping They're talking about an actually real philosophical and ideological tendency among some people in Tech. It's not a tribalistic stereotype. By that definition talking about any group of people that hears to a general ideology would be tribalistic stereotyping and that's extremely stupid. Being able to talk about the people that have a certain ideological tendency is a necessary part of talking about the social dynamics of issues. > to be disparaging and generalizing about people If you are talking about a general group of people and it's a group that is defined by their adherence to a squishy set of bad ideas, I don't see the issue with that. It seems like you and the other people objecting to the use of the term "tech bro" just feel offended and want to wiggle out of that any way you can. So you try to reduce discussions down to purely only ever being able to talk about specific individuals, essentially ripping out an important conceptual aspect of the discussion by removing the ability to abstract, which is a crucial part of reasoning. Referring to the group of people that adheres to a certain attitude or ideology is not tribalistic nor stereotyping. Assigning arbitrary unrelated attributes to a group is stereotyping.