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Weird to see people get worked up about scraping the web for "AI" when search engine companies have been scraping the web for over 25 years. 99% of the time pe

by slyall 3y ago

Weird to see people get worked up about scraping the web for "AI" when search engine companies have been scraping the web for over 25 years. 99% of the time people's complaints about "permission" and "information accidentally made public" are the same arguments they have been using about search engines for years. Most of them have court cases even.

palata 3y ago
Scraping the web to reference your copyrighted material is completely different from scraping the web to use your copyrighted material without any kind of attribution or respect for your copyright. If it is legal to do copyright laundering with AI, then copyright is dead. What's the point of writing a blog if people read it somewhere else, through an AI?
- slyall 3y ago
  The problem is that a lot of the time the anti-AI people are complaining about the scraping itself. They say things "Downloading Copyright web content without permission" when thats what has been happening for years. As if scraping was a new and unusual thing. Google and other have always been doing a lot more than just creating an index. The opponents should attack the new stuff, not the other stuff that people have been doing for years.
  - palata 3y ago
    > The problem is that a lot of the time the anti-AI people are complaining about the scraping itself. Source? That makes no sense to me. The problem is what being done with the copyrighted material, not the fact that an algorithm loaded it. Are you sure they complain about the scraping itself, or do you want them to complain about that, so that you can say that they make no sense?
    - slyall 3y ago
      OpenAI Faces $3B Lawsuit Over Alleged Private Data Theft "The defendants are alleged to have conducted widespread web-scraping campaigns, violating various platforms' terms of service as well as state and federal privacy laws..." https://www.iotworldtoday.com/security/openai-faces-3b-lawsuit-over-alleged-private-data-theft https://www.iotworldtoday.com/security/openai-faces-3b-lawsu...
      - palata 3y ago
        The thing with the law, is that you use whatever you can to win the argument. But reasonably, I would assume that the humans who see a problem with AI are not bothered by the fact that some text appears in some memory somewhere. They are bothered by the use of that text, which they believe goes against their copyright.
nunez 3y ago
It's not that web scraping has existed since basically the beginning of the WWW, but that Google has a hugely, massively and extremely unfunair advantage over OpenAI (who is getting reamed from all sides about the amount of scraping it did to train its models)

by slyall 3y ago

palata 3y ago

Scraping the web to reference your copyrighted material is completely different from scraping the web to use your copyrighted material without any kind of attribution or respect for your copyright. If it is legal to do copyright laundering with AI, then copyright is dead. What's the point of writing a blog if people read it somewhere else, through an AI?

slyall 3y ago
The problem is that a lot of the time the anti-AI people are complaining about the scraping itself. They say things "Downloading Copyright web content without permission" when thats what has been happening for years. As if scraping was a new and unusual thing. Google and other have always been doing a lot more than just creating an index. The opponents should attack the new stuff, not the other stuff that people have been doing for years.
- palata 3y ago
  > The problem is that a lot of the time the anti-AI people are complaining about the scraping itself. Source? That makes no sense to me. The problem is what being done with the copyrighted material, not the fact that an algorithm loaded it. Are you sure they complain about the scraping itself, or do you want them to complain about that, so that you can say that they make no sense?
  - slyall 3y ago
    OpenAI Faces $3B Lawsuit Over Alleged Private Data Theft "The defendants are alleged to have conducted widespread web-scraping campaigns, violating various platforms' terms of service as well as state and federal privacy laws..." https://www.iotworldtoday.com/security/openai-faces-3b-lawsuit-over-alleged-private-data-theft https://www.iotworldtoday.com/security/openai-faces-3b-lawsu...
    - palata 3y ago
      The thing with the law, is that you use whatever you can to win the argument. But reasonably, I would assume that the humans who see a problem with AI are not bothered by the fact that some text appears in some memory somewhere. They are bothered by the use of that text, which they believe goes against their copyright.

nunez 3y ago

It's not that web scraping has existed since basically the beginning of the WWW, but that Google has a hugely, massively and extremely unfunair advantage over OpenAI (who is getting reamed from all sides about the amount of scraping it did to train its models)