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Nerds screaming for decades: The lock-in effect of the big companies will bite you in the ass. Normies: But it's so easy and i can't be bothered to understand

by dtx1 3y ago

Nerds screaming for decades: The lock-in effect of the big companies will bite you in the ass. Normies: But it's so easy and i can't be bothered to understand what i am doing anyway. Go away ...The inevitable happens... Normies: Where are we all supposed to go now? Rinse and Repeat.

filoleg 3y ago
> Normies: But it's so easy and i can't be bothered to understand what i am doing anyway. Go away An alternative reading: Nerds screaming for decades: why make things easy for normies, they just need to git good. Poor UX is a feature, not a bug, and it doesn't matter anyway. Normies: lol ok sure. P.S. To add to the horse that is already beaten to death many times over: "just set up a cron job to rsync your files to a remote linux storage server, who needs a cloud storage solution with simple and easy to understand UX anyway, anyone can (and cares to) do it, just git good".
- dtx1 3y ago
  I read that as > The Free shit they make for us must be trivial to use and for free and i wont give them any money to develop it to solve the problem. I'd rather get exploited by megacorps for free and complain that they treat me like cattle hope they like to grass they get fed
  - filoleg 3y ago
    How does poor UX and difficulty of use have anything to do with free vs paid? That's an entirely orthogonal problem. I, personally, am in the camp of people willing to pay for non-shit services that let me avoid ads and other annoyances coming from something being "free". And I vote with my wallet too, which is why I pay for YT Premium and never have to think about the whole ad debacle with YT. Because yeah, "free" tends to come at a cost.
    - dtx1 3y ago
      Because Good UX cost development time that has to be paid by someone. Nothing can compete with the lock-in and network effect these megacorps have. We have four choices to deal with that: * Close your eyes, cry about bad UX and continue to be treated like literal cattle by them. * Push for legislation that forces these services to be paid only thus making competition on the grounds of how they treat their users possible again * Collectively decide to use and finance free, federated, semi-selfhosted open alternatives (see crying about bad UX on that front) * Stop using them at all And even youtube premium is just paying to be a cattle. Youtube has enormous lock-in power already and I can't even count the amount of fuckups, anti-consumer features and violations of their users and "partners" they have commited. I am done regarding the petty complaints of the cattle users that don't want to understand, can't be bothered to consider the effects they have.
      - filoleg 3y ago
        > Good UX cost development time that has to be paid by someone There is a difference between "we would like to make UX better, but we don't have resources at the moment" and "the [obnoxious monstrosity of a] UX we already have is perfect, and if someone is confused by it, then they are an idiot and should just get good". Just like in that infamous dropbox HN post discussion, people were railing Drew for "who would even want to use this, you can just trivially set up an rsync cron job on your linux server" (which is an argument about UX quality), not for megacorp lock-in or competitors lacking the same resources.

by dtx1 3y ago

filoleg 3y ago

> Normies: But it's so easy and i can't be bothered to understand what i am doing anyway. Go away An alternative reading: Nerds screaming for decades: why make things easy for normies, they just need to git good. Poor UX is a feature, not a bug, and it doesn't matter anyway. Normies: lol ok sure. P.S. To add to the horse that is already beaten to death many times over: "just set up a cron job to rsync your files to a remote linux storage server, who needs a cloud storage solution with simple and easy to understand UX anyway, anyone can (and cares to) do it, just git good".

dtx1 3y ago
I read that as > The Free shit they make for us must be trivial to use and for free and i wont give them any money to develop it to solve the problem. I'd rather get exploited by megacorps for free and complain that they treat me like cattle hope they like to grass they get fed
- filoleg 3y ago
  How does poor UX and difficulty of use have anything to do with free vs paid? That's an entirely orthogonal problem. I, personally, am in the camp of people willing to pay for non-shit services that let me avoid ads and other annoyances coming from something being "free". And I vote with my wallet too, which is why I pay for YT Premium and never have to think about the whole ad debacle with YT. Because yeah, "free" tends to come at a cost.
  - dtx1 3y ago
    Because Good UX cost development time that has to be paid by someone. Nothing can compete with the lock-in and network effect these megacorps have. We have four choices to deal with that: * Close your eyes, cry about bad UX and continue to be treated like literal cattle by them. * Push for legislation that forces these services to be paid only thus making competition on the grounds of how they treat their users possible again * Collectively decide to use and finance free, federated, semi-selfhosted open alternatives (see crying about bad UX on that front) * Stop using them at all And even youtube premium is just paying to be a cattle. Youtube has enormous lock-in power already and I can't even count the amount of fuckups, anti-consumer features and violations of their users and "partners" they have commited. I am done regarding the petty complaints of the cattle users that don't want to understand, can't be bothered to consider the effects they have.
    - filoleg 3y ago
      > Good UX cost development time that has to be paid by someone There is a difference between "we would like to make UX better, but we don't have resources at the moment" and "the [obnoxious monstrosity of a] UX we already have is perfect, and if someone is confused by it, then they are an idiot and should just get good". Just like in that infamous dropbox HN post discussion, people were railing Drew for "who would even want to use this, you can just trivially set up an rsync cron job on your linux server" (which is an argument about UX quality), not for megacorp lock-in or competitors lacking the same resources.