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A few years ago I was working at an agency, one of their teams was building a real-time gaming system on top of FoundationDB. Apple then bought it up and shut

A few years ago I was working at an agency, one of their teams was building a real-time gaming system on top of FoundationDB. Apple then bought it up and shut the open source down. They had to rebuild whole layers from scratch.

58028641 3y ago
As far as I can tell, FoundationDB was never open source until Apple open sourced it.
- tanepiper 3y ago
  At least one reference on here from 2018 - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=16878786 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=16878786 And here's a news story - https://www.forbes.com/sites/benkepes/2015/03/25/a-cautionary-open-source-tale-apple-buys-and-shutters-foundationdb/ https://www.forbes.com/sites/benkepes/2015/03/25/a-cautionar...
  - endisneigh 3y ago
    It was never open source before apple. Rather the binary was freely available to be used. When apple bought them they took it away but continued to support customers with contracts. In that way it was inaccessible until it was open sourced.
    - metadat 3y ago
      Yes, I got bitten by this and will never forget- FDB abruptly shut off public access in mid-2015. Fortunately for me, it only cost half a day to migrate my system to Postgres.
  - detaro 3y ago
    ... which both state that it wasnt open-source before the apple buyout.
- stephenr 3y ago
  Hey now, don't let verifiable facts and observed history get in the way of a chance to bash Apple.
  - tanepiper 3y ago
    I'm sorry I mis-remembered the exact details of another team that I didn't work on and tech stack from 8 years ago. I'll go give myself 100 hail Marys. The point wasn't to bash Apple - the point was that the team lost a lot of money and time and shipped and inferior product because Apple chose to purchase and close down part of the stack.
Dave_Rosenthal 3y ago
Yeah, that sucked for sure and we hated to disappoint people like that (co-founder here). But you have it exactly backwards. FoundationDB was never open source. There was a binary that you could download and use as a trial, or you could buy a license for real use. The users that bought licenses got to keep using those licenses. Some of those customers went on to build billion-dollar businesses on top of FoundationDB (Snowflake!) A few years after acquiring the tech Apple themselves open sourced it (!) so now it is open source. The big challenge for users is that most of the sophisticated "layers" that make the tech into more of an easy-to-use database rather than just a storage engine are still proprietary.
- tanepiper 3y ago
  Yea it was over 8 years ago, I didn't work on the team so I don't remember all the details - I just remember this decision impacted them hugely. Hopefully it worked out well for you, but the decision - weeks from their launch - impacted their mental health, as well as the project. FoundationDB was a swear word.

58028641 3y ago

As far as I can tell, FoundationDB was never open source until Apple open sourced it.

tanepiper 3y ago
At least one reference on here from 2018 - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=16878786 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=16878786 And here's a news story - https://www.forbes.com/sites/benkepes/2015/03/25/a-cautionary-open-source-tale-apple-buys-and-shutters-foundationdb/ https://www.forbes.com/sites/benkepes/2015/03/25/a-cautionar...
- endisneigh 3y ago
  It was never open source before apple. Rather the binary was freely available to be used. When apple bought them they took it away but continued to support customers with contracts. In that way it was inaccessible until it was open sourced.
  - metadat 3y ago
    Yes, I got bitten by this and will never forget- FDB abruptly shut off public access in mid-2015. Fortunately for me, it only cost half a day to migrate my system to Postgres.
- detaro 3y ago
  ... which both state that it wasnt open-source before the apple buyout.
stephenr 3y ago
Hey now, don't let verifiable facts and observed history get in the way of a chance to bash Apple.
- tanepiper 3y ago
  I'm sorry I mis-remembered the exact details of another team that I didn't work on and tech stack from 8 years ago. I'll go give myself 100 hail Marys. The point wasn't to bash Apple - the point was that the team lost a lot of money and time and shipped and inferior product because Apple chose to purchase and close down part of the stack.

Dave_Rosenthal 3y ago

Yeah, that sucked for sure and we hated to disappoint people like that (co-founder here). But you have it exactly backwards. FoundationDB was never open source. There was a binary that you could download and use as a trial, or you could buy a license for real use. The users that bought licenses got to keep using those licenses. Some of those customers went on to build billion-dollar businesses on top of FoundationDB (Snowflake!) A few years after acquiring the tech Apple themselves open sourced it (!) so now it is open source. The big challenge for users is that most of the sophisticated "layers" that make the tech into more of an easy-to-use database rather than just a storage engine are still proprietary.

tanepiper 3y ago
Yea it was over 8 years ago, I didn't work on the team so I don't remember all the details - I just remember this decision impacted them hugely. Hopefully it worked out well for you, but the decision - weeks from their launch - impacted their mental health, as well as the project. FoundationDB was a swear word.