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I'm not sure you can put this on women - since not only can men can be into men, but women can take steroids (and of course be into both men and women). Plus it

by smcl 3y ago

I'm not sure you can put this on women - since not only can men can be into men, but women can take steroids (and of course be into both men and women). Plus it's not necessarily the case that people use these steroids to become more attractive to a prospective partner - while I don't take anything like this I do work out, play sports and run - and this is more for my person health and satisfaction than to make myself attractive to anyone else. I think the broader point being made was that there's a lot of modern-day backlash from certain groups against a specific type of "gender affirming care" - and that it's worth remembering that such care is already relatively commonplace even if you may not think of it that way currently.

ravenstine 3y ago
Human behavior lies on a normal distribution, so the fact that some women take steroids doesn't detract from the motivations of the substantially larger portion of men who use them. > Plus it's not necessarily the case that people use these steroids to become more attractive to a prospective partner The word "necessary" is one you uttered. > while I don't take anything like this I do work out, play sports and run - and this is more for my person health and satisfaction than to make myself attractive to anyone else. What relevance does that have? Roids are a different set of tradeoffs from that of working out and playing sports. > I think the broader point being made was that there's a lot of modern-day backlash from certain groups against a specific type of "gender affirming care" - and that it's worth remembering that such care is already relatively commonplace even if you may not think of it that way currently. The backlash is not founded on the novelty of gender affirming care; it usually hinges on whether the form of gender affirming care that most people think of when they hear that term is medically sound in many cases and the push to normalize something that would otherwise be classified as a mental disorder. Some people are pushing back against the very concept of gender affirming care, yes, but the debate is way more complex than that. > and that it's worth remembering that such care is already relatively commonplace even if you may not think of it that way currently. Not everyone agrees that every form of "gender affirming care" is equivalent, or whether it needs to be overly intellectualized in such a manner. A modern westerner might be convinced that use of Rogaine should be classified as "gender affirming care" when, in reality, the proximal motivation for the vast majority of men using Rogaine is because they want to keep their hair.
- smcl 3y ago
  I'll state it more clearly here because you seem resistant to really think about what I have said - there are men and women of all sexual orientations using steroids. Are you certain that a disproportionate number of straight men, out of the group of those who lift, are users of steroids? Or are you really just projecting your own feelings and insecurities onto a group of people you don't know, and asserting it as fact? Because it sounds like there's a touch of resentment towards women (implying they're really to blame for this) in your comment, and that's what I was primarily taking issue with. > the push to normalize something that would otherwise be classified as a mental disorder This is the kind of thing people said about being gay, bi or lesbian back in the day, and only the most hateful and bigoted say that now. In ten years time you'll either look back at comments like this and cringe with embarrassment, or you'll be one of those miserable, hate-filled bigots. I hope for your sake it's the former.

by smcl 3y ago

ravenstine 3y ago

Human behavior lies on a normal distribution, so the fact that some women take steroids doesn't detract from the motivations of the substantially larger portion of men who use them. > Plus it's not necessarily the case that people use these steroids to become more attractive to a prospective partner The word "necessary" is one you uttered. > while I don't take anything like this I do work out, play sports and run - and this is more for my person health and satisfaction than to make myself attractive to anyone else. What relevance does that have? Roids are a different set of tradeoffs from that of working out and playing sports. > I think the broader point being made was that there's a lot of modern-day backlash from certain groups against a specific type of "gender affirming care" - and that it's worth remembering that such care is already relatively commonplace even if you may not think of it that way currently. The backlash is not founded on the novelty of gender affirming care; it usually hinges on whether the form of gender affirming care that most people think of when they hear that term is medically sound in many cases and the push to normalize something that would otherwise be classified as a mental disorder. Some people are pushing back against the very concept of gender affirming care, yes, but the debate is way more complex than that. > and that it's worth remembering that such care is already relatively commonplace even if you may not think of it that way currently. Not everyone agrees that every form of "gender affirming care" is equivalent, or whether it needs to be overly intellectualized in such a manner. A modern westerner might be convinced that use of Rogaine should be classified as "gender affirming care" when, in reality, the proximal motivation for the vast majority of men using Rogaine is because they want to keep their hair.

smcl 3y ago
I'll state it more clearly here because you seem resistant to really think about what I have said - there are men and women of all sexual orientations using steroids. Are you certain that a disproportionate number of straight men, out of the group of those who lift, are users of steroids? Or are you really just projecting your own feelings and insecurities onto a group of people you don't know, and asserting it as fact? Because it sounds like there's a touch of resentment towards women (implying they're really to blame for this) in your comment, and that's what I was primarily taking issue with. > the push to normalize something that would otherwise be classified as a mental disorder This is the kind of thing people said about being gay, bi or lesbian back in the day, and only the most hateful and bigoted say that now. In ten years time you'll either look back at comments like this and cringe with embarrassment, or you'll be one of those miserable, hate-filled bigots. I hope for your sake it's the former.