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Only tangential to the theme, but continuing your thought, in my experience the rewards for having a chiselled aesthetic comes more from men than women. It's a

Only tangential to the theme, but continuing your thought, in my experience the rewards for having a chiselled aesthetic comes more from men than women. It's a status marker amongst (some groups of) men. The heavily muscled male look is more of a male fantasy than female.

justrealist 3y ago
What women say they are attracted to, and what they respond positively to IRL, are not the same. A chiseled look not enough to land someone on its own, but it absolutely will get you a conversation from women who otherwise would not have even talked to you.
- Capricorn2481 3y ago
  And it would get you not even passing glances from other women because they don't like that look. > What women say they are attracted to, and what they respond positively to IRL, are not the same. There are different women with different preferences. This comment, on its face, doesn't sound like you're talking about a singular woman, but lamenting the fact that one woman is not upfront about the preferences of...another woman she's never met.
  - justrealist 3y ago
    I am saying that: - after I started lifting, I started getting attention and conversations I did not get before - young men are not complete idiots, and can observe that this is true
oh_sigh 3y ago
In my adult life, I've been both a beanpole and a fairly muscled dude(495 lbs squat, 275 bench, 600 DL) I had women attracted to me both times, but the type of woman was very different. I also got groped and felt up far more and other far more overt displays of interest by women when muscled.
ravenstine 3y ago
I agree that there are feedback loops. There are also things that women do which some speculate are motivated more by the feedback of other women than of men. > The heavily muscled male look is more of a male fantasy than female. Visit your local bookstore (if there still is one!) and tell me what the men on the covers of those romance novels look like.
- anigbrowl 3y ago
  Depends on the romance novels. Some women want Fabio, others want a sexy doctor or a vampire. Certainly lots of women do want hunky guys, but the gay community has had a whole taxonomy of sexy body types for decades through physique magazines and the like.

justrealist 3y ago

What women say they are attracted to, and what they respond positively to IRL, are not the same. A chiseled look not enough to land someone on its own, but it absolutely will get you a conversation from women who otherwise would not have even talked to you.

Capricorn2481 3y ago
And it would get you not even passing glances from other women because they don't like that look. > What women say they are attracted to, and what they respond positively to IRL, are not the same. There are different women with different preferences. This comment, on its face, doesn't sound like you're talking about a singular woman, but lamenting the fact that one woman is not upfront about the preferences of...another woman she's never met.
- justrealist 3y ago
  I am saying that: - after I started lifting, I started getting attention and conversations I did not get before - young men are not complete idiots, and can observe that this is true

oh_sigh 3y ago

In my adult life, I've been both a beanpole and a fairly muscled dude(495 lbs squat, 275 bench, 600 DL) I had women attracted to me both times, but the type of woman was very different. I also got groped and felt up far more and other far more overt displays of interest by women when muscled.

ravenstine 3y ago

I agree that there are feedback loops. There are also things that women do which some speculate are motivated more by the feedback of other women than of men. > The heavily muscled male look is more of a male fantasy than female. Visit your local bookstore (if there still is one!) and tell me what the men on the covers of those romance novels look like.

anigbrowl 3y ago
Depends on the romance novels. Some women want Fabio, others want a sexy doctor or a vampire. Certainly lots of women do want hunky guys, but the gay community has had a whole taxonomy of sexy body types for decades through physique magazines and the like.