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"Maybe steroid abuse is too common" was my thought after watching a shirtless RFK Jr (69) do pushups the other day.

by klooney 3y ago

seper8 3y ago
Wow look how cool you are bringing politics into this health issue (which takes place in the UK).
- roamerz 3y ago
  I’m all for keeping politics out of non political discussions for sure but I don’t see any political connection in using a public figure for an example.
  - archsurface 3y ago
    I guess the political connection is the politician. As opposed to eg the rock.
anigbrowl 3y ago
That was so weird. Not one good pushup (more bouncing up and down in the middle of the action without ever reaching the top or bottom of the movement) and he struggled to get to 9. He looks fit, but he's not.
kkielhofner 3y ago
Living in FL (the home of TRT therapy) I’m blown away with what I see regularly at the gym. Like RFK you will regularly (every day) see men in their 60s that have the muscle mass and definition of someone in their 20s. It’s still a lot of hard work, and I’m not calling it cheating, but it’s extremely obvious. There’s a lot of talk of female beauty standards but looking at The Rock, Hugh Jackman, and countless others all the diet and training in the world cannot maintain that physique into their fifties. It’s ridiculous they do interviews and give the classic “broccoli and chicken” line. Personally I’m also skeptical younger actors are able to achieve physiques that are top tier for professional athletes naturally - and often do it in months between roles. Even when they give details of their training (two a days for hours) that’s just not possible at that age without the tremendous improvements in recovery that performance enhancing drugs provide.
- jiggywiggy 3y ago
  Muscular actors are almost without exceptions on it. Take Chris Hemsworth, he went from skinny to bodybuilder level of muscle. It would be fine if doesn't use it to sell workout programs.
  - kkielhofner 3y ago
    Exactly - I don't have a problem with it. It's just very, very dangerous (and sleazy) to give the public and society the impression these results are obtainable with some random diet, over the counter supplement, etc. Doubly sleazy for those that are selling something claiming it's how they achieved their results. Not unlike the Kardashians selling some juice, make up, or whatever and attributing their appearance to it. The real answer is lighting, all kinds of editing/tuning apps, surgery, extreme and regular dermatological procedures, veneers, etc. It's their job and they employ every single trick in the book possible and then some to achieve these results. It's incredible how far the standards have moved. I was re-watching Terminator 2 the other day. Looking at Arnold Schwarzenegger in that role his physique is more-or-less the standard for "action heroes" today and needless to say he's essentially a freak of nature (and has openly discussed his steroid use). There have been advancements in sport and exercise training but not nearly enough to make up that difference. Christian Bale went from a "should be hospitalized" gaunt physique in The Machinist to Batman in a year - that's just not possible without chemical intervention.
    - pjc50 3y ago
      > It's just very, very dangerous (and sleazy) to give the public and society the impression these results are obtainable with some random diet, over the counter supplement, etc. Unfortunately it's also risky for them to tell the truth ("I achieved this with some sketchy prescriptions of otherwise-illegal drugs")
      - kkielhofner 3y ago
        As I noted in my top comment TRT therapy for older men is far from sketchy/illegal at this point - to the point of hardly being controversial. Joe Rogan (as one example) has no problem saying "I'm on TRT/HRT and it's great"[0] - and he's tiny compared to these guys. Joey Diaz actually says in that clip "let's be fair to everyone out there - you're on some stuff" and to his credit Joe says "absolutely". [0] - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EEce1DRsRwQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EEce1DRsRwQ
pjc50 3y ago
How about a different politician talking about steroids: https://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/arnold-schwarzenegger-bodybuilders-steroids-drug-b2345316.html https://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/arnold-schwarzenegg...
- diath 3y ago
  It's really weird how he used to lie about his PED use for decades, and now he's lying about the dosage as quoted in this article, 100mg Test/week with a standard dbol dose? There's no way you can get up to 117kg/260lbs stage-ready (so decently shredded) on a lower-than-TRT dose.

"Maybe steroid abuse is too common" was my thought after watching a shirtless RFK Jr (69) do pushups the other day.

seper8 3y ago

Wow look how cool you are bringing politics into this health issue (which takes place in the UK).

roamerz 3y ago
I’m all for keeping politics out of non political discussions for sure but I don’t see any political connection in using a public figure for an example.
- archsurface 3y ago
  I guess the political connection is the politician. As opposed to eg the rock.

anigbrowl 3y ago

That was so weird. Not one good pushup (more bouncing up and down in the middle of the action without ever reaching the top or bottom of the movement) and he struggled to get to 9. He looks fit, but he's not.

kkielhofner 3y ago

Living in FL (the home of TRT therapy) I’m blown away with what I see regularly at the gym. Like RFK you will regularly (every day) see men in their 60s that have the muscle mass and definition of someone in their 20s. It’s still a lot of hard work, and I’m not calling it cheating, but it’s extremely obvious. There’s a lot of talk of female beauty standards but looking at The Rock, Hugh Jackman, and countless others all the diet and training in the world cannot maintain that physique into their fifties. It’s ridiculous they do interviews and give the classic “broccoli and chicken” line. Personally I’m also skeptical younger actors are able to achieve physiques that are top tier for professional athletes naturally - and often do it in months between roles. Even when they give details of their training (two a days for hours) that’s just not possible at that age without the tremendous improvements in recovery that performance enhancing drugs provide.

jiggywiggy 3y ago
Muscular actors are almost without exceptions on it. Take Chris Hemsworth, he went from skinny to bodybuilder level of muscle. It would be fine if doesn't use it to sell workout programs.
- kkielhofner 3y ago
  Exactly - I don't have a problem with it. It's just very, very dangerous (and sleazy) to give the public and society the impression these results are obtainable with some random diet, over the counter supplement, etc. Doubly sleazy for those that are selling something claiming it's how they achieved their results. Not unlike the Kardashians selling some juice, make up, or whatever and attributing their appearance to it. The real answer is lighting, all kinds of editing/tuning apps, surgery, extreme and regular dermatological procedures, veneers, etc. It's their job and they employ every single trick in the book possible and then some to achieve these results. It's incredible how far the standards have moved. I was re-watching Terminator 2 the other day. Looking at Arnold Schwarzenegger in that role his physique is more-or-less the standard for "action heroes" today and needless to say he's essentially a freak of nature (and has openly discussed his steroid use). There have been advancements in sport and exercise training but not nearly enough to make up that difference. Christian Bale went from a "should be hospitalized" gaunt physique in The Machinist to Batman in a year - that's just not possible without chemical intervention.
  - pjc50 3y ago
    > It's just very, very dangerous (and sleazy) to give the public and society the impression these results are obtainable with some random diet, over the counter supplement, etc. Unfortunately it's also risky for them to tell the truth ("I achieved this with some sketchy prescriptions of otherwise-illegal drugs")
    - kkielhofner 3y ago
      As I noted in my top comment TRT therapy for older men is far from sketchy/illegal at this point - to the point of hardly being controversial. Joe Rogan (as one example) has no problem saying "I'm on TRT/HRT and it's great"[0] - and he's tiny compared to these guys. Joey Diaz actually says in that clip "let's be fair to everyone out there - you're on some stuff" and to his credit Joe says "absolutely". [0] - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EEce1DRsRwQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EEce1DRsRwQ

pjc50 3y ago

How about a different politician talking about steroids: https://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/arnold-schwarzenegger-bodybuilders-steroids-drug-b2345316.html https://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/arnold-schwarzenegg...

diath 3y ago
It's really weird how he used to lie about his PED use for decades, and now he's lying about the dosage as quoted in this article, 100mg Test/week with a standard dbol dose? There's no way you can get up to 117kg/260lbs stage-ready (so decently shredded) on a lower-than-TRT dose.