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Indians were not hired at my previous job. I figured something was weird because we shared a parking lot with another IT firm and I noticed their staff looked

Indians were not hired at my previous job. I figured something was weird because we shared a parking lot with another IT firm and I noticed their staff looked different. Later I established a relationship with HR and found out that the recruiters actively tossed any resumes with Indian looking names in the trash because they assumed they’d have need a visa and had problems with English. Needless to say as a senior engineer, I confronted HR and offered to help with recruiting. We went from 1 to 5 highly qualified Indian engineers that same year. What am I saying? Diversity is your fault. Senior engineers and EMs are directly responsible for not advocating for others! Things you can do: - Actually meet new people who don’t look like you - Help a junior find their next company - Join forces with other seniors and tell management and HR to be better about hiring

racismsexism 3y ago
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P_I_Staker 3y ago
You were able to find a team blatantly discriminating against demographics that have not had any trouble making it into tech. Indian engineers are great, but there's really not much of a shortage of them in tech, at least not exceeding the overall shortage. We may not have enough visas, but we have plenty of Indian people that our great engineers. While it's painful to talk about, this simply isn't true for black people and women. I feel uncomfortable talking like this, but I think it's in the best interest of getting it right. It may be bad for all POC, but specifically it looks like blacks have faired poorly, as well as native americans. We know there's gender issues. I digress, but the point is that this is simple a much larger problem than what you presented. In a way there similar. It's always hard to go against racist management. The point is this is a fixable problem. Get rid of the overt racism, and just start accepting resumes from the zillion of qualified people. It's hard to talk about, but I don't think anyone familiar with the issue will disagree. There is a horrible supply problem caused by a couple centuries of horrid racism. This doesn't go away by flipping a single overt racism switch, like yours did. Are we producing enough young black, POC, and women engineers? I think the obvious answer is no. Fight the fight against racism internally, and your efforts will help, but you're never going to be able to fix it under these conditions.
- jollofricepeas 3y ago
  Does population size need to be taken into consideration as well? Meaning should Chinese and Indian foreign students dominate US/EU engineering due to their sheer numbers to the exclusion of local minorities and underrepresented populations?

racismsexism 3y ago

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P_I_Staker 3y ago

You were able to find a team blatantly discriminating against demographics that have not had any trouble making it into tech. Indian engineers are great, but there's really not much of a shortage of them in tech, at least not exceeding the overall shortage. We may not have enough visas, but we have plenty of Indian people that our great engineers. While it's painful to talk about, this simply isn't true for black people and women. I feel uncomfortable talking like this, but I think it's in the best interest of getting it right. It may be bad for all POC, but specifically it looks like blacks have faired poorly, as well as native americans. We know there's gender issues. I digress, but the point is that this is simple a much larger problem than what you presented. In a way there similar. It's always hard to go against racist management. The point is this is a fixable problem. Get rid of the overt racism, and just start accepting resumes from the zillion of qualified people. It's hard to talk about, but I don't think anyone familiar with the issue will disagree. There is a horrible supply problem caused by a couple centuries of horrid racism. This doesn't go away by flipping a single overt racism switch, like yours did. Are we producing enough young black, POC, and women engineers? I think the obvious answer is no. Fight the fight against racism internally, and your efforts will help, but you're never going to be able to fix it under these conditions.

jollofricepeas 3y ago
Does population size need to be taken into consideration as well? Meaning should Chinese and Indian foreign students dominate US/EU engineering due to their sheer numbers to the exclusion of local minorities and underrepresented populations?