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Google had LLMs before OpenAI. It also produced the core techniques for making it happen. My take is that it was taken by its own weight. The government fines

Google had LLMs before OpenAI. It also produced the core techniques for making it happen. My take is that it was taken by its own weight. The government fines & incorporation that started to fear those fines slowed down the progress. How difficult is to launch a change in that environment? Same for the baseline -- people react to changes. You consider the baseline to be the Golden standard. How difficult is to launch a radical change considering that? IMO, the only way out is to shrink the product. Split, shard, whatever. Be small enough compared to the rest so you are not the default target (Coca Cola, Procter & Gamble, etc. do it right).

tyre 3y ago
> IMO, the only way out is to shrink the product. Split, shard, whatever Microsoft and OpenAI nailed this in my opinion. The funding deal between the two was genius. OpenAI gets billions of dollars from Microsoft that it then spends on Azure. Microsoft got priority access to ChatGPT, equity in OpenAI, high-scale testing of Azure, plus some margin on OpenAI's usage for training. At the same time, it _didn't_ get the legal liability of running ChatGPT. Maybe it could eventually be hit for allowing training models with copyright data on its servers, but that feels unlikely. It got all of the access to cutting edge productized LLMs that it could have wanted, including financial upside, without the bad parts.
dmvdoug 3y ago
Are… are you blaming the government for Google’s enshittification? Because that’s the only factor related to its size you cite as causally connected to its decline.
- mrazomor 3y ago
  Two parts. The government & organic size issues. Both contributing xx%. Any high churn change is difficult to get out at that scale. Now add all corp-fear because you are under lense of all governments. You can't keep the startup mentality with that kind of environment.

tyre 3y ago

> IMO, the only way out is to shrink the product. Split, shard, whatever Microsoft and OpenAI nailed this in my opinion. The funding deal between the two was genius. OpenAI gets billions of dollars from Microsoft that it then spends on Azure. Microsoft got priority access to ChatGPT, equity in OpenAI, high-scale testing of Azure, plus some margin on OpenAI's usage for training. At the same time, it _didn't_ get the legal liability of running ChatGPT. Maybe it could eventually be hit for allowing training models with copyright data on its servers, but that feels unlikely. It got all of the access to cutting edge productized LLMs that it could have wanted, including financial upside, without the bad parts.

dmvdoug 3y ago

Are… are you blaming the government for Google’s enshittification? Because that’s the only factor related to its size you cite as causally connected to its decline.

mrazomor 3y ago
Two parts. The government & organic size issues. Both contributing xx%. Any high churn change is difficult to get out at that scale. Now add all corp-fear because you are under lense of all governments. You can't keep the startup mentality with that kind of environment.