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Exactly, moreover... His comment > I was specifically talking about sexual violence. Makes it clear that he tried to move the discussion away from recognizing

Exactly, moreover... His comment > I was specifically talking about sexual violence. Makes it clear that he tried to move the discussion away from recognizing civilian suffering and opposing the countries which oppressed most of the world with their military force first... Towards just trying to make a case for Russia to be "more brutal", regardless of factual accuracy. For some people, stoking outrage takes priority. It's not the first time that the propaganda is trying to scaremonger about a "horde from the east": https://redsails.org/hordes-of-rapists https://redsails.org/hordes-of-rapists

_kbh_ 3y ago
> Makes it clear that he tried to move the discussion away from recognizing civilian suffering and opposing the countries which oppressed most of the world with their military force first... Towards just trying to make a case for Russia to be "more brutal", regardless of factual accuracy. For some people, stoking outrage takes priority. More so that im trying to concentrate the discussion on the brutality of the Russian army instead of the abject apathy that the Americans have for civilians causalities. > It's not the first time that the propaganda is trying to scaremonger about a "horde from the east": If you want to keep defending a country that rapes and tortures children go ahead, but know that you're aligning yourself with the new monsters of Europe and I hope you're okay with that. I guess people supported nazis in WW2 so I shouldn't be surprised that people are supporting the Russians now.
- boffinAudio 3y ago
  > concentrate the discussion on the brutality of the Russian army instead If you think what the American military did to Mosul and Raqqa is not an utter brutality, there is no hope for your further arguments of moral authority. The fact is that the US' military is more vile and brutal than its captive civilian population is capable of admitting, or even understanding - since those same brutes own your media industry and will never show you what they did, almost every day since 2003, to utterly innocent human beings. Cultures that Americas' war-criminal class have deemed inferior - on the basis of racial or religious assumed authority, have been suffering miserably for decades because people such as yourself make excuses for the heinous crimes committed in your name, instead of informing yourself as to the truth and nature of the magnitude of those crimes. Russia is bad, very bad - but it has a long, long way to go to catch up to the depravity and calamity that the US visits on innocent people, every twenty minutes for twenty years. It matters not one iota to the fathers and mothers digging their children out from under the piles of smouldering rubble left across the landscape, if you think your forces are 'the ethical ones'. You'd know that if you'd taken the time to really, really understand the victims of your state, which are only there because of your own ignorance and failure to reign in your own war criminals as a responsible citizen. Perhaps you profit from the war machine. This is another reason why people think their war machine is better/more moral than any other war machine, but here's a clue: there are no moral war machines, no ethical war machines, no war machine with a more 'divine purpose set by God'. There are only humanity-destroying apparatus, which exist purely because citizens are too lazy or cowardly to confront their war mongers and send them off to The Hague to rot in chains where they belong. Putin can sit there to rot too - right alongside Clinton and Bush and Biden and Obama and Trump - where they all truly, truly belong. But I assure you, Putins' crimes pale into insignificance when it comes to his peers. You better inform yourself, better.
  - _kbh_ 3y ago
    We have already discussed but you seem more than happy to try and wash away Russias penchant for raping and torturing children in foreign nations. I think American did and does terrible things and more terrible things then Russia. Do you think that Russias should stop committing the crimes it does?. Do you think killing someone is worse then raping a child?. > if you think your forces are 'the ethical ones'. I never said this.
    - boffinAudio 3y ago
      I am not Russian and can therefore do nothing effective about Russia's atrocities. I am a subject member of the 5-eyes superstate that has been committing heinous war crimes and crimes against humanity, in my name and yours (possibly), for decades. Therefore the imperative for you and me is to address the very real and very serious war crimes of our own people, first and foremost - before we set those very same war criminals the task of 'doing something about Russia'. Unless you are Russian, there is nothing peaceful you can do about Russias crimes. Period. The moral authority you claim, to elevate ones own war criminals over those of other nations', is not only a fallacy but does a huge disservice to the 34 million+ victims of our own war criminals. Stop bleating, uselessly, about Russia. Start instead calling, effectively, for the heads of your own war criminals to be presented on a platter at the ICC. Where they truly, truly belong. Only when that occurs, will the conditions for justice for Russia's victims also be in place. Until Americans close the 1000+ black op CIA torture sites they willfully fund every single year, nobody in the rest of the free world is going to follow your endless war-crime committing classes into yet another disaster.

_kbh_ 3y ago

> Makes it clear that he tried to move the discussion away from recognizing civilian suffering and opposing the countries which oppressed most of the world with their military force first... Towards just trying to make a case for Russia to be "more brutal", regardless of factual accuracy. For some people, stoking outrage takes priority. More so that im trying to concentrate the discussion on the brutality of the Russian army instead of the abject apathy that the Americans have for civilians causalities. > It's not the first time that the propaganda is trying to scaremonger about a "horde from the east": If you want to keep defending a country that rapes and tortures children go ahead, but know that you're aligning yourself with the new monsters of Europe and I hope you're okay with that. I guess people supported nazis in WW2 so I shouldn't be surprised that people are supporting the Russians now.

boffinAudio 3y ago
> concentrate the discussion on the brutality of the Russian army instead If you think what the American military did to Mosul and Raqqa is not an utter brutality, there is no hope for your further arguments of moral authority. The fact is that the US' military is more vile and brutal than its captive civilian population is capable of admitting, or even understanding - since those same brutes own your media industry and will never show you what they did, almost every day since 2003, to utterly innocent human beings. Cultures that Americas' war-criminal class have deemed inferior - on the basis of racial or religious assumed authority, have been suffering miserably for decades because people such as yourself make excuses for the heinous crimes committed in your name, instead of informing yourself as to the truth and nature of the magnitude of those crimes. Russia is bad, very bad - but it has a long, long way to go to catch up to the depravity and calamity that the US visits on innocent people, every twenty minutes for twenty years. It matters not one iota to the fathers and mothers digging their children out from under the piles of smouldering rubble left across the landscape, if you think your forces are 'the ethical ones'. You'd know that if you'd taken the time to really, really understand the victims of your state, which are only there because of your own ignorance and failure to reign in your own war criminals as a responsible citizen. Perhaps you profit from the war machine. This is another reason why people think their war machine is better/more moral than any other war machine, but here's a clue: there are no moral war machines, no ethical war machines, no war machine with a more 'divine purpose set by God'. There are only humanity-destroying apparatus, which exist purely because citizens are too lazy or cowardly to confront their war mongers and send them off to The Hague to rot in chains where they belong. Putin can sit there to rot too - right alongside Clinton and Bush and Biden and Obama and Trump - where they all truly, truly belong. But I assure you, Putins' crimes pale into insignificance when it comes to his peers. You better inform yourself, better.
- _kbh_ 3y ago
  We have already discussed but you seem more than happy to try and wash away Russias penchant for raping and torturing children in foreign nations. I think American did and does terrible things and more terrible things then Russia. Do you think that Russias should stop committing the crimes it does?. Do you think killing someone is worse then raping a child?. > if you think your forces are 'the ethical ones'. I never said this.
  - boffinAudio 3y ago
    I am not Russian and can therefore do nothing effective about Russia's atrocities. I am a subject member of the 5-eyes superstate that has been committing heinous war crimes and crimes against humanity, in my name and yours (possibly), for decades. Therefore the imperative for you and me is to address the very real and very serious war crimes of our own people, first and foremost - before we set those very same war criminals the task of 'doing something about Russia'. Unless you are Russian, there is nothing peaceful you can do about Russias crimes. Period. The moral authority you claim, to elevate ones own war criminals over those of other nations', is not only a fallacy but does a huge disservice to the 34 million+ victims of our own war criminals. Stop bleating, uselessly, about Russia. Start instead calling, effectively, for the heads of your own war criminals to be presented on a platter at the ICC. Where they truly, truly belong. Only when that occurs, will the conditions for justice for Russia's victims also be in place. Until Americans close the 1000+ black op CIA torture sites they willfully fund every single year, nobody in the rest of the free world is going to follow your endless war-crime committing classes into yet another disaster.