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> There are strains of feminism which blame men collectively for all ills in society I find that these views are spread not so much by strains of feminism or a

> There are strains of feminism which blame men collectively for all ills in society I find that these views are spread not so much by strains of feminism or anyone seeking to improve society, as by the aforementioned people using feminist frameworks to justify their own takes on gender essentialism and bigotry. I don't consider this feminism since it does nothing to improve anything for anyone, but yes, the lack of intolerance for misandry among feminist spaces is one of my big issues with it.

dudeinjapan 3y ago
> I don't consider this feminism... but yes, the lack of intolerance for misandry among feminist spaces is one of my big issues with it. This is called the "No True Scotsman" fallacy. ("No true feminist would be intolerant or misandrous.") https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No_true_Scotsman https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No_true_Scotsman I will agree that feminism is "unequivocally good" if we first define it thusly then discount every feminist who is less-than-good :)
- scotty79 3y ago
  You can't really talk about these things very rigidly. Otherwise you'd have to conclude that any religion is only as good as the worst inhumane madman that adopted it as his motivation.
  - dudeinjapan 3y ago
    I am simply observing that "feminism" is unworthy of the label "unequivocally good". I agree that "religion" is also not "unequivocally good". And one doesn't need to invoke Torquemada to make that claim; religion (or any -ism) imposes rules/structures on society that incur complex trade-offs, such that one can't say they are wholly good 100% of the time.
- Llamamoe 3y ago
  One is Scot by being a resident of Scotland. One is a feminist by engaging with feminist theory and/or activism, mainly in the context of trying to shift attitudes away from misogyny. Using feminist lingo to justify misandry is no more feminism than using awareness of cognitive biases to troll people online is philosophy.

dudeinjapan 3y ago

> I don't consider this feminism... but yes, the lack of intolerance for misandry among feminist spaces is one of my big issues with it. This is called the "No True Scotsman" fallacy. ("No true feminist would be intolerant or misandrous.") https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No_true_Scotsman https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No_true_Scotsman I will agree that feminism is "unequivocally good" if we first define it thusly then discount every feminist who is less-than-good :)

scotty79 3y ago
You can't really talk about these things very rigidly. Otherwise you'd have to conclude that any religion is only as good as the worst inhumane madman that adopted it as his motivation.
- dudeinjapan 3y ago
  I am simply observing that "feminism" is unworthy of the label "unequivocally good". I agree that "religion" is also not "unequivocally good". And one doesn't need to invoke Torquemada to make that claim; religion (or any -ism) imposes rules/structures on society that incur complex trade-offs, such that one can't say they are wholly good 100% of the time.
Llamamoe 3y ago
One is Scot by being a resident of Scotland. One is a feminist by engaging with feminist theory and/or activism, mainly in the context of trying to shift attitudes away from misogyny. Using feminist lingo to justify misandry is no more feminism than using awareness of cognitive biases to troll people online is philosophy.