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> no key needed (just walk up to the car and it knows you are you because of your phone, or use a credit card style key) This feature, while I am sure loved by

> no key needed (just walk up to the car and it knows you are you because of your phone, or use a credit card style key) This feature, while I am sure loved by most people and is evident from the sales, is not something that I like and hence would never own a Tesla. I simply don't like the idea of my car and car's app beaming my data to HQ all the time.

resolutebat 3y ago
The phone/key lock works through Bluetooth and does not require live connectivity. Teslas do phone home a lot for other stuff, but for better or worse, so do most other modern-day cars. And the Tesla UI is pretty zealous about asking for your permission for all the things.
- snvdnse 3y ago
  I am not sure if other auto manufacturers are doing similar data collection, but based on [0], they sure seem to collect a lot. I hope, as you say, they let you pick what data you permit them to collect and also let you use features of _your_ car if you deny some permissions. [0] https://www.tesla.com/legal/privacy#information-we-may-collect https://www.tesla.com/legal/privacy#information-we-may-colle...
- rkagerer 3y ago
  How's the user experience using the car if you hit No to all of them?
- dev_slash_null 3y ago
  > Teslas do phone home a lot for other stuff, but for better or worse, so do most other modern-day cars. And the Tesla UI is pretty zealous about asking for your permission for all the things. How many other cars send your private videos to HQ to be shared among employees on internal meme pages? https://www.reuters.com/technology/tesla-workers-shared-sensitive-images-recorded-by-customer-cars-2023-04-06/ https://www.reuters.com/technology/tesla-workers-shared-sens...
rkagerer 3y ago
I really love having a slot to put my key in, in a normal car.
- shultays 3y ago
  Teslas don't have keys/key holes for back up?
  - Pathogen-David 3y ago
    They do not. Primary means of entry/starting the car is your cell phone. You also get a set of RFID cards which you can put in your wallet to use as a backup. You can optionally buy a key fob if you want something more traditional, but it's still electronic and wireless. https://www.tesla.com/ownersmanual/models/en_us/GUID-E004FAB7-1C71-448F-9492-CACF301304D2.html https://www.tesla.com/ownersmanual/models/en_us/GUID-E004FAB... https://shop.tesla.com/product/model-s-key-fob https://shop.tesla.com/product/model-s-key-fob
  - Kirby64 3y ago
    Functionally, the "backup" key (which looks like a credit card in Tesla's) is identical to the backup mechanism to a traditional keyless entry fob. If you've ever had a keyless entry fob go dead because the battery runs out, you start the car by holding the key fob over a special location (usually either the start button or on the steering column where a key would be). Same concept, but the backup key for a Tesla doesn't have the integrated key for normal keyless functionality. That's what the cellphone all is for.
    - BluePen7 3y ago
      I thought all keyless fobs had secret keys inside of them. There's one inside the one for my Lexus (and you have to pop the cover off the door handle), and on Mercedes the start/stop button is removable to reveal a slot where the fob actually clicks in.
- w0m 3y ago
  Few modern traditional cars have a slot to put their key in either. My wife's Audi as example, if the fob is dead; you place the dead fob cupholder. ~almost the exact same place I'd use the Card to start my model 3.
mensetmanusman 3y ago
This will soon be a standard feature and can be implemented with UWB so you can use it without beaming to HQ or requiring cell signals.
- Kirby64 3y ago
  Already supported on a couple cars actually. Genesis GV60 is one of them: https://www.macrumors.com/2022/05/17/genesis-gv60-car-key-ultra-wideband/ https://www.macrumors.com/2022/05/17/genesis-gv60-car-key-ul...

resolutebat 3y ago

The phone/key lock works through Bluetooth and does not require live connectivity. Teslas do phone home a lot for other stuff, but for better or worse, so do most other modern-day cars. And the Tesla UI is pretty zealous about asking for your permission for all the things.

snvdnse 3y ago
I am not sure if other auto manufacturers are doing similar data collection, but based on [0], they sure seem to collect a lot. I hope, as you say, they let you pick what data you permit them to collect and also let you use features of _your_ car if you deny some permissions. [0] https://www.tesla.com/legal/privacy#information-we-may-collect https://www.tesla.com/legal/privacy#information-we-may-colle...
rkagerer 3y ago
How's the user experience using the car if you hit No to all of them?
dev_slash_null 3y ago
> Teslas do phone home a lot for other stuff, but for better or worse, so do most other modern-day cars. And the Tesla UI is pretty zealous about asking for your permission for all the things. How many other cars send your private videos to HQ to be shared among employees on internal meme pages? https://www.reuters.com/technology/tesla-workers-shared-sensitive-images-recorded-by-customer-cars-2023-04-06/ https://www.reuters.com/technology/tesla-workers-shared-sens...

rkagerer 3y ago

I really love having a slot to put my key in, in a normal car.

shultays 3y ago
Teslas don't have keys/key holes for back up?
- Pathogen-David 3y ago
  They do not. Primary means of entry/starting the car is your cell phone. You also get a set of RFID cards which you can put in your wallet to use as a backup. You can optionally buy a key fob if you want something more traditional, but it's still electronic and wireless. https://www.tesla.com/ownersmanual/models/en_us/GUID-E004FAB7-1C71-448F-9492-CACF301304D2.html https://www.tesla.com/ownersmanual/models/en_us/GUID-E004FAB... https://shop.tesla.com/product/model-s-key-fob https://shop.tesla.com/product/model-s-key-fob
- Kirby64 3y ago
  Functionally, the "backup" key (which looks like a credit card in Tesla's) is identical to the backup mechanism to a traditional keyless entry fob. If you've ever had a keyless entry fob go dead because the battery runs out, you start the car by holding the key fob over a special location (usually either the start button or on the steering column where a key would be). Same concept, but the backup key for a Tesla doesn't have the integrated key for normal keyless functionality. That's what the cellphone all is for.
  - BluePen7 3y ago
    I thought all keyless fobs had secret keys inside of them. There's one inside the one for my Lexus (and you have to pop the cover off the door handle), and on Mercedes the start/stop button is removable to reveal a slot where the fob actually clicks in.
w0m 3y ago
Few modern traditional cars have a slot to put their key in either. My wife's Audi as example, if the fob is dead; you place the dead fob cupholder. ~almost the exact same place I'd use the Card to start my model 3.

mensetmanusman 3y ago

This will soon be a standard feature and can be implemented with UWB so you can use it without beaming to HQ or requiring cell signals.

Kirby64 3y ago
Already supported on a couple cars actually. Genesis GV60 is one of them: https://www.macrumors.com/2022/05/17/genesis-gv60-car-key-ultra-wideband/ https://www.macrumors.com/2022/05/17/genesis-gv60-car-key-ul...