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Almost all of those sales are in China though. They're starting to enter Western markets and having some success, mostly by being the cheapest EVs around, but

Almost all of those sales are in China though. They're starting to enter Western markets and having some success, mostly by being the cheapest EVs around, but Tesla is still outselling them 4:1 in Australia despite steeper price tags.

makeitdouble 3y ago
Interestingly the majority of Tesla sales is also in China, US being second, EU being a distant third. Feels like at this point whoever takes the Chinese market gets the crown, and I suppose India will be next in this game.
- andy_ppp 3y ago
  Is Tesla's factory in china powered by coal like the car charging will be?
  - parineum 3y ago
    Guess who's building nuclear power plants.
    - andy_ppp 3y ago
      Guess who is also building more coal power plants!
  - benj111 3y ago
    Would you like to show a calculation that shows a an ev 'powered by coal' is worse than petrol. How are you defining 'powered by coal', because China's energy mix isn't 100% coal either.
    - andy_ppp 3y ago
      Even if the power stations were running on petrol it would be worse because of the inherently lossy nature of transferring power to the grid, across the grid, to the battery, from the battery, to motor(s) to the wheels. I'm not saying it's bad to move to electric vehicles just that it's not the wonderful win for global warming in China (or really anywhere else) right now and for the foreseeable future.
      - pornel 3y ago
        Internal combustion engine uses only about 30-40% of the energy in gasoline, because it can't make use of the majority of the energy wasted as heat. Stationary power plants can use that heat. Electricity transfer, battery charging, and electric motors are all over 90% efficient, with overall "well to wheel" efficiency around 80%.
- panick21_ 3y ago
  India isn't a big market. At least not for decades. And hopefully never.
  - cypress66 3y ago
    > And hopefully never. Why?
    - tuatoru 3y ago
      Private motor vehicles are a very space-inefficient means of transport. India is pretty crowded.
    - Balero 3y ago
      Not OP, but there are not enough resources for all of North America, Europe, China and India to live the lifestyle of the average US person. So I guess they are hopeful that India won't reach that level of consumption.
      - panick21_ 3y ago
        Very wrong. I do hope they reach this level of consumption. But don't do it by relaying on cars as a primary means of transport. The car market should stay small even as the economy grows. This can be achieved by systematically ban cars from cities. By investing far more into trains then into highways. By having good public transit even to remote places. And by encouraging small vehicles when necessary.
wharfjumper 3y ago
NZ new BEV registrations June 2023. 1. Tesla 2. BYD 3. Hyundai [1] [1] https://evdb.nz/ev-new-cars https://evdb.nz/ev-new-cars
- tuatoru 3y ago
  Yay, some facts!

makeitdouble 3y ago

Interestingly the majority of Tesla sales is also in China, US being second, EU being a distant third. Feels like at this point whoever takes the Chinese market gets the crown, and I suppose India will be next in this game.

andy_ppp 3y ago
Is Tesla's factory in china powered by coal like the car charging will be?
- parineum 3y ago
  Guess who's building nuclear power plants.
  - andy_ppp 3y ago
    Guess who is also building more coal power plants!
- benj111 3y ago
  Would you like to show a calculation that shows a an ev 'powered by coal' is worse than petrol. How are you defining 'powered by coal', because China's energy mix isn't 100% coal either.
  - andy_ppp 3y ago
    Even if the power stations were running on petrol it would be worse because of the inherently lossy nature of transferring power to the grid, across the grid, to the battery, from the battery, to motor(s) to the wheels. I'm not saying it's bad to move to electric vehicles just that it's not the wonderful win for global warming in China (or really anywhere else) right now and for the foreseeable future.
    - pornel 3y ago
      Internal combustion engine uses only about 30-40% of the energy in gasoline, because it can't make use of the majority of the energy wasted as heat. Stationary power plants can use that heat. Electricity transfer, battery charging, and electric motors are all over 90% efficient, with overall "well to wheel" efficiency around 80%.
panick21_ 3y ago
India isn't a big market. At least not for decades. And hopefully never.
- cypress66 3y ago
  > And hopefully never. Why?
  - tuatoru 3y ago
    Private motor vehicles are a very space-inefficient means of transport. India is pretty crowded.
  - Balero 3y ago
    Not OP, but there are not enough resources for all of North America, Europe, China and India to live the lifestyle of the average US person. So I guess they are hopeful that India won't reach that level of consumption.
    - panick21_ 3y ago
      Very wrong. I do hope they reach this level of consumption. But don't do it by relaying on cars as a primary means of transport. The car market should stay small even as the economy grows. This can be achieved by systematically ban cars from cities. By investing far more into trains then into highways. By having good public transit even to remote places. And by encouraging small vehicles when necessary.

wharfjumper 3y ago

NZ new BEV registrations June 2023. 1. Tesla 2. BYD 3. Hyundai [1] [1] https://evdb.nz/ev-new-cars https://evdb.nz/ev-new-cars

tuatoru 3y ago
Yay, some facts!