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Americas best selling vehicle, decades running is the F150 and place 2/3 usually are Chevy/Dodge trucks. What is HNs view on the Cybertruck? Outside of the des

Americas best selling vehicle, decades running is the F150 and place 2/3 usually are Chevy/Dodge trucks. What is HNs view on the Cybertruck? Outside of the design will it be substantially differentiated from the American leaders?

XorNot 3y ago
It's going to launch and then be silently killed. The Cybertruck is late to the party, where Ford is delivering actual products normal people can want. Worse, the Cybertruck is looking less and less useful: the payload capacity is ? The tray size is ? Basically what is a Cybertruck for? Who is buying it compared to another vehicle at this point? It's a pile of features which no one needs, and very quiet about the ones people do. No one needs "shatter proof windows" in a car. No one needs it to be a boat. What I need is it to carry heavy loads and seat 5 people. Can it do that? Can it do that better then something else?
- lost_tourist 3y ago
  If the bed size is like the lightning couldn't it just be an expensive electric pickup for the top 10% earners to drive around in the city?
- kortilla 3y ago
  The lightning has a dog shit battery though. It has terrible range even without towing/payload load. Nobody has an actual viable electric truck right now. Cybertruck stats remain to be seen.
  - helf 3y ago
    Um, it's rated for 230 miles with the standard battery and 320 with extended. This is dogshit... how?
  - clouddrover 3y ago
    You'll just have to buy a Chevy Silverado EV then: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oUN358zio7A https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oUN358zio7A https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TGPxjg_jDog https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TGPxjg_jDog
  - pfannkuchen 3y ago
    What’s wrong with Rivian?
    - kortilla 3y ago
      It’s honestly not enough range to be useful towing things for road trips: https://insideevs.com/news/593575/rivian-towing-range/ https://insideevs.com/news/593575/rivian-towing-range/ Stopping to charge for an hour every 140 miles is awful.
- omoikane 3y ago
  Someone has spotted one Cybertruck in Mountain View: https://www.reddit.com/r/teslamotors/comments/148x6oa/cybertruck_spotted/ https://www.reddit.com/r/teslamotors/comments/148x6oa/cybert... I am not sure if that's a test vehicle, or if they have started production.
- ggm 3y ago
  I thought that about the Suzuki off roader which never goes off road. They sell like hotcakes. I thought "smart" cars were a bad idea. They sold like hotcakes in the markets in Europe (I saw 5 parked nose-to-tail in a street once in roma and they were NOT the same owning company or anything) People buy ugly cars. God knows why. Why did people go bananas for the beetle?
  - resolutebat 3y ago
    If you're ever tried street parking in Italy, you'll know why a car that's less half the size of a F-150 is a great idea there. https://www.carsized.com/en/cars/compare/smart-fortwo-2010-3-door-hatchback-vs-ford-f150-2014-4-door-pickup-supercrew-5.5/ https://www.carsized.com/en/cars/compare/smart-fortwo-2010-3...
- kcb 3y ago
  Ford still seems unable to produce significant numbers of EVs nearly as efficiently as Tesla can. I suspect pricing of the Cybertruck will be quite a bit lower than the Lightning.
- delecti 3y ago
  The Cybertruck fills 100% of the use-case for suburbanites with pristine F-150s. Better the conspicuous consumers recharge from the grid.
- qwerpy 3y ago
  Only half joking but I’m getting one for the bulletproof windows and body. I have to commute to Seattle, where very recently a pregnant woman was randomly executed by a gunman in broad daylight while sitting in her car waiting at a red light. I only kind of want a truck but the cybertruck claims to add enough interesting features (bulletproof, 500mi range, Teslas charging network and autopilot) that it crosses the threshold into buy territory for me.
  - XorNot 3y ago
    And yet the vehicle will carry absolutely no ballistic rating. So "bulletproof" means, "sure, sometimes the bullet doesn't go through but we didn't want to commit to that".
  - bagels 3y ago
    Did you watch the unveiling video with the broken window? I wouldn't rely on Musk's claims of bulletproof windows (if he did make such a claim).
  - panick21_ 3y ago
    Cybertruck will not have bulletproof windows. Its just a shatter prove window. What's bullet proove is the exterior skin of the vehicle, but only against small caliber.
- mlsu 3y ago
  what you are describing is probably close to 75% of car buyers. why does anyone need a pickup whose bed can't fit a sheet of plywood? why does anyone need leather seats in their pickup truck? why does anyone need 4WD, when they go on gravel roads 1 day a year? why does anyone need a grille taller than a middle schooler? who is buying this crap? everyone is lol. drive around sometime.
- panick21_ 3y ago
  > The Cybertruck is late to the party That's an absurd statement. Total truck sales in the US are 2 million a year. Total BEV truck sales so far is under 50k per year. Saying the Cybertruck is to late make absolutely no sense what so ever. Its a total misunderstanding on the ability of Ford and Rivian to grow their sales. Ford has a serious battery issue, as they were very, very late in setting up their own battery factories. > the payload capacity is ? Better then that of the competing trucks ... > The tray size is ? The same as an F150 > Basically what is a Cybertruck for? The same thing most trucks are for, for dumb Americans to feel cool. > Who is buying it compared to another vehicle at this point? Anybody who would buy a dumb truck. > No one needs "shatter proof windows" in a car. Actually window replacement can have pretty high cost. > No one needs it to be a boat. That's not an official feature but something Musk talked about on twitter once. > What I need is it to carry heavy loads and seat 5 people. Can it do that? Can it do that better then something else? Yes it can. It will also be far more efficient then the F150 meaning you will spend far less on fuel. And it will likely have better range to. Also it will likely be cheaper, F-150 has gone up in price and dealers add another huge chunk on top.
- nebula8804 3y ago
  With the amount of money spent on tooling to ramp up a new vehicle program especially one as unique as cybertruck, they cannot just silently kill it later on like its nothing. It would hit the company very seriously given how much is riding on the success of this thing.
anonuser123456 3y ago
>What is HNs view on the Cybertruck? I can’t speak for everyone, but if it has vehicle to home power and a button to the play Mad Max fury road theme while shooting flames… I’m buying one.
dehrmann 3y ago
The F-150 Lightning is already popular and an easy sell to truck people. The only market for the Cybertruck is people who like the design, want a truck, and don't want to be mistaken for Republicans because they're in an F-150.
- evan_ 3y ago
  if I ever see someone in a Cybertruck I'm going to assume they're a redpilled Elon reply guy
- qwerpy 3y ago
  I vote mostly Republican (when there is a sane one on the ballot) but the Cybertruck will be my first truck. It’s the first electric truck made by a proven EV manufacturer. If you’re being serious, it would boggle my mind that people pick vehicles based on politics. Suppose Bernie Sanders was CEO of a EV company that made great cars. I’d happily buy one of his cars!
  - dehrmann 3y ago
    > it would boggle my mind that people pick vehicles based on politics Virtue signaling isn't technically the same as politics, but https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toyota_Prius https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toyota_Prius Also not quite politics, but Subaru famously leaned in to marketing to lesbians. There's also a generation of Americans who refused to buy Japanese cars because of politics.
  - Reimersholme 3y ago
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Symbiote 3y ago
It's a deathtrap for pedestrians. It can't be sold in the EU because of this. Please don't buy one.
- chrisco255 3y ago
  Just look both ways before you cross the street and use crosswalks.
  - albrewer 3y ago
    Putting the blame purely on the people being hit sure is a stance.
    - chrisco255 3y ago
      Yes, when you cross a street, it's up to you to follow the traffic laws, use cross walks, observe traffic, take responsibility, etc etc
- YetAnotherNick 3y ago
  It is government's job to create regulations. I don't think many companies go above and beyond the regulations to protect the pedestrians anyways. While certainly cybertruck looks tough and dangerous, there is no reason why there can't be crumple zones. It makes it safer for passengers as well.
chrisco255 3y ago
I think Cybertruck will mostly compete with off-road SUVs like Grand Cherokee / 4Runner / Bronco, etc, and smaller pickups like Tacoma, Ridgeline, and Ranger. It will not directly compete with F150s & up in the 3/4 ton and up segment, because they're more heavily used for work and towing and the shape of the vehicle and range while towing is prohibitive for that.
- katbyte 3y ago
  There is no way the cyber truck will compete with any actual offroad truck. It doesn’t have the clearance or departure angles or anything you’d want while offroading. It’s clearly made to stay on pavement unlike the rivian truck.
  - chrisco255 3y ago
    Plenty of "off road trucks" are just used casually for camping and traversing dirt roads & snow covered pavement. That being said, the CyberTruck will hold its own, it's going to have adjustable suspension with up to 16 inches of ground clearance, with a 35 degree approach angle and 28 degree departure angle: https://www.caranddriver.com/tesla/cybertruck https://www.caranddriver.com/tesla/cybertruck
    - katbyte 3y ago
      Given the tendency for Elon to lie and “just one more year” for things to come out and then when they do they are a shadow of what’s promised I’ll believe any of that when it’s actually for sale. As for using it for casual camping who cares people take everything here camping. Heck I’ve seen plenty Tesla’s down FSRs here to go camping parked next to miata’s.
      - chrisco255 3y ago
        This was filmed pretty recently: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Gaxa7wBJxs&t=1s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Gaxa7wBJxs&t=1s This prototype shows it's getting close to production-ready and already looks solid.
panick21_ 3y ago
As Tesla shareholder, I think it will make a lot of money. As a European, please don't sell it in Europe.

XorNot 3y ago

It's going to launch and then be silently killed. The Cybertruck is late to the party, where Ford is delivering actual products normal people can want. Worse, the Cybertruck is looking less and less useful: the payload capacity is ? The tray size is ? Basically what is a Cybertruck for? Who is buying it compared to another vehicle at this point? It's a pile of features which no one needs, and very quiet about the ones people do. No one needs "shatter proof windows" in a car. No one needs it to be a boat. What I need is it to carry heavy loads and seat 5 people. Can it do that? Can it do that better then something else?

lost_tourist 3y ago
If the bed size is like the lightning couldn't it just be an expensive electric pickup for the top 10% earners to drive around in the city?
kortilla 3y ago
The lightning has a dog shit battery though. It has terrible range even without towing/payload load. Nobody has an actual viable electric truck right now. Cybertruck stats remain to be seen.
- helf 3y ago
  Um, it's rated for 230 miles with the standard battery and 320 with extended. This is dogshit... how?
- clouddrover 3y ago
  You'll just have to buy a Chevy Silverado EV then: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oUN358zio7A https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oUN358zio7A https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TGPxjg_jDog https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TGPxjg_jDog
- pfannkuchen 3y ago
  What’s wrong with Rivian?
  - kortilla 3y ago
    It’s honestly not enough range to be useful towing things for road trips: https://insideevs.com/news/593575/rivian-towing-range/ https://insideevs.com/news/593575/rivian-towing-range/ Stopping to charge for an hour every 140 miles is awful.
omoikane 3y ago
Someone has spotted one Cybertruck in Mountain View: https://www.reddit.com/r/teslamotors/comments/148x6oa/cybertruck_spotted/ https://www.reddit.com/r/teslamotors/comments/148x6oa/cybert... I am not sure if that's a test vehicle, or if they have started production.
ggm 3y ago
I thought that about the Suzuki off roader which never goes off road. They sell like hotcakes. I thought "smart" cars were a bad idea. They sold like hotcakes in the markets in Europe (I saw 5 parked nose-to-tail in a street once in roma and they were NOT the same owning company or anything) People buy ugly cars. God knows why. Why did people go bananas for the beetle?
- resolutebat 3y ago
  If you're ever tried street parking in Italy, you'll know why a car that's less half the size of a F-150 is a great idea there. https://www.carsized.com/en/cars/compare/smart-fortwo-2010-3-door-hatchback-vs-ford-f150-2014-4-door-pickup-supercrew-5.5/ https://www.carsized.com/en/cars/compare/smart-fortwo-2010-3...
kcb 3y ago
Ford still seems unable to produce significant numbers of EVs nearly as efficiently as Tesla can. I suspect pricing of the Cybertruck will be quite a bit lower than the Lightning.
delecti 3y ago
The Cybertruck fills 100% of the use-case for suburbanites with pristine F-150s. Better the conspicuous consumers recharge from the grid.
qwerpy 3y ago
Only half joking but I’m getting one for the bulletproof windows and body. I have to commute to Seattle, where very recently a pregnant woman was randomly executed by a gunman in broad daylight while sitting in her car waiting at a red light. I only kind of want a truck but the cybertruck claims to add enough interesting features (bulletproof, 500mi range, Teslas charging network and autopilot) that it crosses the threshold into buy territory for me.
- XorNot 3y ago
  And yet the vehicle will carry absolutely no ballistic rating. So "bulletproof" means, "sure, sometimes the bullet doesn't go through but we didn't want to commit to that".
- bagels 3y ago
  Did you watch the unveiling video with the broken window? I wouldn't rely on Musk's claims of bulletproof windows (if he did make such a claim).
- panick21_ 3y ago
  Cybertruck will not have bulletproof windows. Its just a shatter prove window. What's bullet proove is the exterior skin of the vehicle, but only against small caliber.
mlsu 3y ago
what you are describing is probably close to 75% of car buyers. why does anyone need a pickup whose bed can't fit a sheet of plywood? why does anyone need leather seats in their pickup truck? why does anyone need 4WD, when they go on gravel roads 1 day a year? why does anyone need a grille taller than a middle schooler? who is buying this crap? everyone is lol. drive around sometime.
panick21_ 3y ago
> The Cybertruck is late to the party That's an absurd statement. Total truck sales in the US are 2 million a year. Total BEV truck sales so far is under 50k per year. Saying the Cybertruck is to late make absolutely no sense what so ever. Its a total misunderstanding on the ability of Ford and Rivian to grow their sales. Ford has a serious battery issue, as they were very, very late in setting up their own battery factories. > the payload capacity is ? Better then that of the competing trucks ... > The tray size is ? The same as an F150 > Basically what is a Cybertruck for? The same thing most trucks are for, for dumb Americans to feel cool. > Who is buying it compared to another vehicle at this point? Anybody who would buy a dumb truck. > No one needs "shatter proof windows" in a car. Actually window replacement can have pretty high cost. > No one needs it to be a boat. That's not an official feature but something Musk talked about on twitter once. > What I need is it to carry heavy loads and seat 5 people. Can it do that? Can it do that better then something else? Yes it can. It will also be far more efficient then the F150 meaning you will spend far less on fuel. And it will likely have better range to. Also it will likely be cheaper, F-150 has gone up in price and dealers add another huge chunk on top.
nebula8804 3y ago
With the amount of money spent on tooling to ramp up a new vehicle program especially one as unique as cybertruck, they cannot just silently kill it later on like its nothing. It would hit the company very seriously given how much is riding on the success of this thing.

anonuser123456 3y ago

>What is HNs view on the Cybertruck? I can’t speak for everyone, but if it has vehicle to home power and a button to the play Mad Max fury road theme while shooting flames… I’m buying one.

dehrmann 3y ago

The F-150 Lightning is already popular and an easy sell to truck people. The only market for the Cybertruck is people who like the design, want a truck, and don't want to be mistaken for Republicans because they're in an F-150.

evan_ 3y ago
if I ever see someone in a Cybertruck I'm going to assume they're a redpilled Elon reply guy
qwerpy 3y ago
I vote mostly Republican (when there is a sane one on the ballot) but the Cybertruck will be my first truck. It’s the first electric truck made by a proven EV manufacturer. If you’re being serious, it would boggle my mind that people pick vehicles based on politics. Suppose Bernie Sanders was CEO of a EV company that made great cars. I’d happily buy one of his cars!
- dehrmann 3y ago
  > it would boggle my mind that people pick vehicles based on politics Virtue signaling isn't technically the same as politics, but https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toyota_Prius https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toyota_Prius Also not quite politics, but Subaru famously leaned in to marketing to lesbians. There's also a generation of Americans who refused to buy Japanese cars because of politics.
- Reimersholme 3y ago
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Symbiote 3y ago

It's a deathtrap for pedestrians. It can't be sold in the EU because of this. Please don't buy one.

chrisco255 3y ago
Just look both ways before you cross the street and use crosswalks.
- albrewer 3y ago
  Putting the blame purely on the people being hit sure is a stance.
  - chrisco255 3y ago
    Yes, when you cross a street, it's up to you to follow the traffic laws, use cross walks, observe traffic, take responsibility, etc etc
YetAnotherNick 3y ago
It is government's job to create regulations. I don't think many companies go above and beyond the regulations to protect the pedestrians anyways. While certainly cybertruck looks tough and dangerous, there is no reason why there can't be crumple zones. It makes it safer for passengers as well.

chrisco255 3y ago

I think Cybertruck will mostly compete with off-road SUVs like Grand Cherokee / 4Runner / Bronco, etc, and smaller pickups like Tacoma, Ridgeline, and Ranger. It will not directly compete with F150s & up in the 3/4 ton and up segment, because they're more heavily used for work and towing and the shape of the vehicle and range while towing is prohibitive for that.

katbyte 3y ago
There is no way the cyber truck will compete with any actual offroad truck. It doesn’t have the clearance or departure angles or anything you’d want while offroading. It’s clearly made to stay on pavement unlike the rivian truck.
- chrisco255 3y ago
  Plenty of "off road trucks" are just used casually for camping and traversing dirt roads & snow covered pavement. That being said, the CyberTruck will hold its own, it's going to have adjustable suspension with up to 16 inches of ground clearance, with a 35 degree approach angle and 28 degree departure angle: https://www.caranddriver.com/tesla/cybertruck https://www.caranddriver.com/tesla/cybertruck
  - katbyte 3y ago
    Given the tendency for Elon to lie and “just one more year” for things to come out and then when they do they are a shadow of what’s promised I’ll believe any of that when it’s actually for sale. As for using it for casual camping who cares people take everything here camping. Heck I’ve seen plenty Tesla’s down FSRs here to go camping parked next to miata’s.
    - chrisco255 3y ago
      This was filmed pretty recently: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Gaxa7wBJxs&t=1s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Gaxa7wBJxs&t=1s This prototype shows it's getting close to production-ready and already looks solid.

panick21_ 3y ago

As Tesla shareholder, I think it will make a lot of money. As a European, please don't sell it in Europe.