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I don’t get Why the hate and easy one liners like this, when Tesla refunded the only gov lease they got with interests while all legacy are digging their defic

I don’t get Why the hate and easy one liners like this, when Tesla refunded the only gov lease they got with interests while all legacy are digging their deficit further, the rest is equal grounds for all manufacturer to compete. American should be proud and supportive for any local company actually dedicated to quit fossil fuels or anything about not relying on another country.

7e 3y ago
Tesla relies on China for its growth, as well as a big chunk of its batteries.
- andreygrehov 3y ago
  The entire world relies on China. That’s not an argument.
  - nyokodo 3y ago
    The post they were responding to said “not relying on another country” so pointing out Tesla’s reliance on China is a contrary argument. In fact the supply chain for EVs is even more complex than that. China has a huge hyper-financed chokehold on many processing steps but the raw materials come from across the globe. On the other hand, ICE vehicles have a relatively simple supply chain so it’s a big weakness that EVs currently have and well worth pointing out.
    - ggm 3y ago
      > On the other hand, ICE vehicles have a relatively simple supply chain Relatively simple == simpler, but I would point out it's brittle because just-in-time hyperoptimisations sucked it dry of spare capacity. Stocks of EMS microchips held up production. Most of a car outside of ICE/EV differences are the same inputs, same supply chain. Tesla's stamped bodyparts require metal billets the same way normal auto car body panel stampers do. Inside of ICE/EV differences Tesla runs flow processes to make batteries close to site. The input supply chain for batteries is pretty simple. I am not sure I would say the supply chain behind a fuel injection system is as simple, it has mechanical and electromechanical and electronic parts in profusion. Lots of points of brittleness.
      - nyokodo 3y ago
        > Most of a car outside of ICE/EV differences are the same inputs, same supply chain. It is an obvious statement that where they’re the same they have the same supply chain. > The input supply chain for batteries is pretty simple EV battery supply chains are the most complex out of all inputs for both classes of car other than microchips. There are many countries including highly geopolitically complicated ones like the Democratic Republic of the Congo and Russia that provide vital material inputs. > it has mechanical and electromechanical and electronic parts in profusion Fuel injectors are older and simpler tech and have nowhere near as complicated a supply chain as EV batteries.
- panick21_ 3y ago
  All all of China relies on Cobalt from Congo and Lithium from Australia. On on it goes.
rootusrootus 3y ago
I imagine it's much like any other manufacturer with an over-the-top fanbase. The constant gushing and cheerleading creates opposition out of thin air. I'm not sure there has ever been a set of fans as dedicated as Tesla ones, to be honest. Hell, they still accuse anyone who dares to disagree with being short on TSLA.
- _2z1p 3y ago
  I think it’s more due to Elon Musk.
cududa 3y ago
Probably because this is a nonsense statement? Every automaker that got a bailout from 2009 has repaid it with interest. What are you talking about?

7e 3y ago

Tesla relies on China for its growth, as well as a big chunk of its batteries.

andreygrehov 3y ago
The entire world relies on China. That’s not an argument.
- nyokodo 3y ago
  The post they were responding to said “not relying on another country” so pointing out Tesla’s reliance on China is a contrary argument. In fact the supply chain for EVs is even more complex than that. China has a huge hyper-financed chokehold on many processing steps but the raw materials come from across the globe. On the other hand, ICE vehicles have a relatively simple supply chain so it’s a big weakness that EVs currently have and well worth pointing out.
  - ggm 3y ago
    > On the other hand, ICE vehicles have a relatively simple supply chain Relatively simple == simpler, but I would point out it's brittle because just-in-time hyperoptimisations sucked it dry of spare capacity. Stocks of EMS microchips held up production. Most of a car outside of ICE/EV differences are the same inputs, same supply chain. Tesla's stamped bodyparts require metal billets the same way normal auto car body panel stampers do. Inside of ICE/EV differences Tesla runs flow processes to make batteries close to site. The input supply chain for batteries is pretty simple. I am not sure I would say the supply chain behind a fuel injection system is as simple, it has mechanical and electromechanical and electronic parts in profusion. Lots of points of brittleness.
    - nyokodo 3y ago
      > Most of a car outside of ICE/EV differences are the same inputs, same supply chain. It is an obvious statement that where they’re the same they have the same supply chain. > The input supply chain for batteries is pretty simple EV battery supply chains are the most complex out of all inputs for both classes of car other than microchips. There are many countries including highly geopolitically complicated ones like the Democratic Republic of the Congo and Russia that provide vital material inputs. > it has mechanical and electromechanical and electronic parts in profusion Fuel injectors are older and simpler tech and have nowhere near as complicated a supply chain as EV batteries.
panick21_ 3y ago
All all of China relies on Cobalt from Congo and Lithium from Australia. On on it goes.

rootusrootus 3y ago

I imagine it's much like any other manufacturer with an over-the-top fanbase. The constant gushing and cheerleading creates opposition out of thin air. I'm not sure there has ever been a set of fans as dedicated as Tesla ones, to be honest. Hell, they still accuse anyone who dares to disagree with being short on TSLA.

_2z1p 3y ago
I think it’s more due to Elon Musk.

cududa 3y ago

Probably because this is a nonsense statement? Every automaker that got a bailout from 2009 has repaid it with interest. What are you talking about?